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Bloomberg pushing NY hospitals to hide baby formula so more new moms will breast-feed

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Hes off his rocker...who does he think he is the god of human behavior....NYers need to reject this clown
 
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as long as he doesn't make baby-formula illegal, or adds a sin-tax to it.
 
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Mayor Bloomberg pushing NYC hospitals to hide baby formula so more new moms will breast-feed

Mayor Bloomberg pushing NYC hospitals to hide baby formula so more new mothers will breast-feed - NYPOST.com

I guess he wants to leave the public stage without people suggesting he should run a third party candidacy for president.

New York is sure lucky to have someone as wise as Bloomberg. Perhaps he can set up weekly menus and make sure supermarkets are only allowed to sell the stuff needed in his recipes.
 
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Good for him. Mother-child relationships are vital for healthy growth and development.
 
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Oh don't be silly - after 9 months of pregnancy and birth he thinks that SEEING a container or formula is the determining factor.

TRUST me - every mother has thought about it, developed her views and ideas, and made the decision BEFORE that moment.

It's pathetic that people think otherwise - what are we, retards who don't even know we're pregnant or our role as a mother?

Women choose not to breastfeed for a variety of reasons . . . one thing has to do with the sexualization of the breast, I think. For me - it was beyond crazed to take what was just a sexy plaything and then actually *do* something with it other than that. It was a disgusting, really - made my stomach turn - made me feel like a pedophile when I thought about it.

That transition can **** with your head - a lot.

I never did get over it (my emotions about it) I always felt like that. I avoided sex when I was nursing as much as possible because it was just over the line and ****ed up. I nursed all of my kids - it took me to child #3 to take it further than 2 months because I wanted my sex life back. It never felt normal to be ok with them being sex-things and nature-things at the same time.

They don't prepare you for those mixed emotions and thoughts. . . they just assume you'll transition and accept it.

Guys won't understand that - they'll never have any part of their bodies that goes from serving one purpose and holding one appeal to being a complete other altogether. . . and then suffering the social-negative consequences when they have difficulty transitioning. It's difficult enough just in itself - the public-chastising doesn't help anyone.
 
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Oh don't be silly - after 9 months of pregnancy and birth he thinks that SEEING a container or formula is the determining factor.

TRUST me - every mother has thought about it, developed her views and ideas, and made the decision BEFORE that moment.

It's pathetic that people think otherwise - what are we, retards who don't even know we're pregnant or our role as a mother?

I'm not sure if that's what's going on. It's more of a tradition thing. If mothers don't see formula around over time while attending hospitals, society will become less prone to avoid breast feeding.

Women choose not to breastfeed for a variety of reasons . . . one thing has to do with the sexualization of the breast, I think. For me - it was beyond crazed to take what was just a sexy plaything and then actually *do* something with it other than that. It was a disgusting, really - made my stomach turn - made me feel like a pedophile when I thought about it.

That transition can **** with your head - a lot.

I never did get over it (my emotions about it) I always felt like that. I avoided sex when I was nursing as much as possible because it was just over the line and ****ed up. I nursed all of my kids - it took me to child #3 to take it further than 2 months because I wanted my sex life back. It never felt normal to be ok with them being sex-things and nature-things at the same time.

They don't prepare you for those mixed emotions and thoughts. . . they just assume you'll transition and accept it.

Guys won't understand that - they'll never have any part of their bodies that goes from serving one purpose and holding one appeal to being a complete other altogether. . . and then suffering the social-negative consequences when they have difficulty transitioning.

Eh...

...people worry about pedophilia too much these days. Love is love, and love is a big picture. Worrying about exploiting immaturity is another thing though.

It might seem "sloppy", but it makes evolutionary sense for men to desire boobs. Men who don't wouldn't be selecting mates who can optimally nourish their children. Furthermore, men who don't wouldn't have an optimal attitude towards nourishing children.
 
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I'm not sure if that's what's going on. It's more of a tradition thing. If mothers don't see formula around over time while attending hospitals, society will become less prone to avoid breast feeding.



Eh...

...people worry about pedophilia too much these days. Love is love, and love is a big picture. Worrying about exploiting immaturity is another thing though.

It might seem "sloppy", but it makes evolutionary sense for men to desire boobs. Men who don't wouldn't be selecting mates who can optimally nourish their children. Furthermore, men who don't wouldn't have an optimal attitude towards nourishing children.

No - it doesn't make sense - the sex appeal of the breast. It makes no sense at all . . . not when it ****s with someone's head to the point of them being a freak while struggling with conflicting views and negating their other instincts and compulsions. It is illogical.

We're not logical creatures - humans. We're all sorts of ****ed up.

And simply saying 'it's ok' or 'it's natural' doesn't actually make it 'ok' as far as one's thought processes go - it's not that easily overridden. It takes an immense amount of logical reasoning with yourself to force yourself to override your thoughts and feelings about it.

And I don't know about other mothers - But I was never exposed to the concept of formula feeding - and when I learned about formula being a healthy option I was relieved.

So other reasons: pain - it can be excruciatingly painful, it doesn't 'come naturally' - you always need someone to show you what to do and help you out ergo if you don't have anyone to help you're less likely to go through with it. And the inconvenience of it. It limits your life in so many ways like you're imprisoned. It can be a very depressing and embarrassing inescapable situation to be in.

I never recovered from the limitations - when my daughter was nursing I was stuck in traffic for hours. Had to feed her on the side of the road in the front seat with baby blankets draped in the windows. My two other kids started fighting and arguing - it was an intollerable situation and I couldn't do anything about any of it. I just sat, nursed and cried . . . and eventually a police officer knocked on the window to tell me to move off the side of the road - I wanted to just die. I never went anywhere without a formula bottle after that.
 
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No - it doesn't make sense - the sex appeal of the breast. It makes no sense at all . . . not when it ****s with someone's head to the point of them being a freak while struggling with conflicting views and negating their other instincts and compulsions. It is illogical.

We're not logical creatures - humans. We're all sorts of ****ed up.

And simply saying 'it's ok' or 'it's natural' doesn't actually make it 'ok' as far as one's thought processes go - it's not that easily overridden. It takes an immense amount of logical reasoning with yourself to force yourself to override your thoughts and feelings about it.

And I don't know about other mothers - But I was never exposed to the concept of formula feeding - and when I learned about formula being a healthy option I was relieved.

So other reasons: pain - it can be excruciatingly painful, it doesn't 'come naturally' - you always need someone to show you what to do and help you out ergo if you don't have anyone to help you're less likely to go through with it. And the inconvenience of it. It limits your life in so many ways like you're imprisoned. It can be a very depressing and embarrassing inescapable situation to be in.

I never recovered from the limitations - when my daughter was nursing I was stuck in traffic for hours. Had to feed her on the side of the road in the front seat with baby blankets draped in the windows. My two other kids started fighting and arguing - it was an intollerable situation and I couldn't do anything about any of it. I just sat, nursed and cried . . . and eventually a police officer knocked on the window to tell me to move off the side of the road - I wanted to just die. I never went anywhere without a formula bottle after that.

That doesn't sound like a nursing problem. It sounds like a socializing problem. Your family and community weren't around to help you or help you feel included.

It also sounds like you were feeding the problem. If bad thoughts are in your head, then you shouldn't be thinking. Just acknowledge that whatever is happening is beyond your control, so it doesn't count.
 
Good for him. Mother-child relationships are vital for healthy growth and development.

My wife, try as she might, was unable to get our aon to latch on, and even when pumping could rarely get more than a milliliter or two after a solid twenty minutes of pumping. There is inordinate pressure on women to breastfeed today regardless of their ability to do so.

One size does not fit all.


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That doesn't sound like a nursing problem. It sounds like a socializing problem. Your family and community weren't around to help you or help you feel included.

It also sounds like you were feeding the problem. If bad thoughts are in your head, then you shouldn't be thinking. Just acknowledge that whatever is happening is beyond your control, so it doesn't count.

LOL - it's nearly impossible to not have thoughts and feelings. :shrug: I just accepted that I had to do it regardless of how I felt - I just didn't let my husband touch me sexually that way until it was over. It was much easier - and so I nursed longer - when he was deployed after we had our 4th. Then I was able to be all mom and no wife. He at least understood my serious issues and didn't try to work around it - he let me deal with it and was nothing but supportive. When he came home on leave I didn't nurse - I took that one week to bottle feed only and suffered for it later.

I'm not expecting you to understand - you'll never have to deal with that balance. I do wonder all the time what it's like being on the outside of it all and just watching someone else do everything. . . and I'll never grasp how it is to just see it from a distance - same thing.

But the social thing; isn't that strange? Doesn't that sound illogical? That we need others to help us with something that's suppose to be basic and fundamental to our survival as a species? Somewhat amusing - we're just stupid like that as a species that we need others around. LOL We're inept.
 
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My wife, try as she might, was unable to get our aon to latch on, and even when pumping could rarely get more than a milliliter or two after a solid twenty minutes of pumping. There is inordinate pressure on women to breastfeed today regardless of their ability to do so.

One size does not fit all.


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Again, the problem seems social. If there's pressure, society needs to organize so that pressure goes away and turns into love.

The main problem is people are obsessed with results. They don't realize that results take process - that people have to care to get things done, and we can't force people to care. The best we can do is prohibit people from participating in the first place when they don't care.

It seems that at some level, you and your wife were pressured to fit social expectations before you were ready, or maybe society just neglected you and imposed rugged individualism.
 
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LOL - it's nearly impossible to not have thoughts and feelings. :shrug: I just accepted that I had to do it regardless of how I felt - I just didn't let my husband touch me sexually that way until it was over. It was much easier - and so I nursed longer - when he was deployed after we had our 4th. Then I was able to be all mom and no wife. He at least understood my serious issues and didn't try to work around it - he let me deal with it and was nothing but supportive. When he came home on leave I didn't nurse - I took that one week to bottle feed only and suffered for it later.

I'm not expecting you to understand - you'll never have to deal with that balance. I do wonder all the time what it's like being on the outside of it all and just watching someone else do everything. . . and I'll never grasp how it is to just see it from a distance - same thing.

But the social thing; isn't that strange? Doesn't that sound illogical? That we need others to help us with something that's suppose to be basic and fundamental to our survival as a species? Somewhat amusing - we're just stupid like that as a species that we need others around. LOL We're inept.

There are times when people can only help each other rather than helping themselves.

I think part of it has to do with your husband's deployment as well. The same reason your husband enlisted in the military is why you struggled in nursing. People join the military because civilian life doesn't accommodate them, and when civilian life isn't accommodating, families become dysfunctional.

Love is a big picture.
 
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Again, the problem seems social. If there's pressure, society needs to organize so that pressure goes away and turns into love.

The main problem is people are obsessed with results. They don't realize that results take process - that people have to care to get things done, and we can't force people to care. The best we can do is prohibit people from participating in the first place when they don't care.

It seems that at some level, you and your wife were pressured to fit social expectations before you were ready, or maybe society just neglected you and imposed rugged individualism.

Some women just don't produce breast milk - there are medications that can be given but if the body didn't develop in that way it's just not going to happen. It's not very common but it does occur.

Likewise - Some babies just don't take to nursing at all - in the past they would have just wasted away. Now we can at least offer something - so in that situation, which is natural and does happen, at least we don't have to give such babies a death sentence. Another not very common but it does occur situation.
 
...or it could be a physiological issue preventing the nursing. Not every problem is solved by blaming repressive society Dak.

BTW I have zero doubt that you are male now, not that I really doubted it before.


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Some women just don't produce breast milk - there are medications that can be given but if the body didn't develop in that way it's just not going to happen. It's not very common but it does occur.

Likewise - Some babies just don't take to nursing at all - in the past they would have just wasted away. Now we can at least offer something - so in that situation, which is natural and does happen, at least we don't have to give such babies a death sentence. Another not very common but it does occur situation.

Oh definitely. People can underdevelop because of society stressing them out.

The problem is society takes halfway solutions such as bottle feeding as an excuse to stress people out. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Bottles are needed because people are stressed, so stress keeps happening because people have bottles.
 
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Oh definitely. People can underdevelop because of society stressing them out.

The problem is society takes halfway solutions such as bottle feeding as an excuse to stress people out. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Bottles are needed because people are stressed, so stress keeps happening because people have bottles.

Do you think society effects every single thing about our bodies and how we function - or fail to function? Your thought process seems strange.

In order to be able to produce breastmilk you have to have developed mammary glands in response to hormonal and chemical changes in the body. . . and so forth. Numerous things - like other health issues - can halt and inhibit this process.

You're talking as if every mother who has issues has mental problems or negative connotations with nursing - why do you assume this? A lot of women don't have problems at all with the concept - nothing negative what so ever . .. but might still have physical issues that inhibit the process.
 
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I don't have any issue with the way this is being done. Just like getting information beforehand about which is best, it is also important to get and give information to your hospital about how they support either breastfeeding or bottlefeeding. Breastfeeding is best and should be what is encouraged.

If a woman cannot or just doesn't want to breastfeed, there is nothing wrong with that, just as there is nothing wrong with having an epidural during birth, but that doesn't mean that should be encouraged. It shouldn't be condemned either, but just putting the formula away isn't really condemning people for formula feeding. I don't really agree with the mother getting a lecture every time the formula is given though, especially if she gave the hospital how she felt about bottle feeding over breastfeeding beforehand and this wasn't just some "I'm not sure" decision.

Now, I do think it is a little weird for him to be so concerned with it, but then again there are a lot of people out there who are overly concerned with other people's lives/choices.
 
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Do you think society effects every single thing about our bodies and how we function - or fail to function? Your thought process seems strange.

To a degree, yes. There are side effects from everything. If we want things synchronized such that everyone's respected, then society has to holistically appreciate the exercise of free will. We can't pressure people to do things, nor can we let people pressure others to do things.

In order to be able to produce breastmilk you have to have developed mammary glands in response to hormonal and chemical changes in the body. . . and so forth. Numerous things - like other health issues - can halt and inhibit this process.

Yes.

You're talking as if every mother who has issues has mental problems or negative connotations with nursing - why do you assume this?

I'm not sure what you mean by "mental problems", but many women are traumatized from negligence.

A lot of women don't have problems at all with the concept - nothing negative what so ever . .. but might still have physical issues that inhibit the process.

Right.
 
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Bloomberg is just ahead of his time. Micromanagement is the wave of the future. The ONLY area SAFE from micromanagement is breeding. Breed away, all day. Let's run our population up to billions ASAP. Of course, with so many people, those people won't know what to do. So, the government can then direct, manipulate and control every aspect of life.

New York City is a perfect place for this type of social control. Lots of people in a concentrated area. Easy to monitor, easy to influence. In another 100 years, everywhere will be like New York City.
 
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Again, the problem seems social. If there's pressure, society needs to organize so that pressure goes away and turns into love.

The main problem is people are obsessed with results. They don't realize that results take process - that people have to care to get things done, and we can't force people to care. The best we can do is prohibit people from participating in the first place when they don't care.

It seems that at some level, you and your wife were pressured to fit social expectations before you were ready, or maybe society just neglected you and imposed rugged individualism.
Look bro (yes, you've revealed yourself to be a man) there's a few problems with your statements. 1) You're a man. Where do you pull the knowledge, expertise, or experience to say what a woman is feeling or thinking when considering or practicing breast feeding? Studying a book or reading articles about breastfeeding doesnt make you an expert. It makes you informed. 2) Not everyone is mentally weak enough to allow societal factors play into what they decide to do with their body. Especially in this case. No one is standing in that delivery room when the mother decides to feed her baby for the first time. Its usually the mother, the father (hopefully), and maybe a nurse. The mother gets no societal pressure in that environment. She makes the best decision she can for her baby and for the rest of her family. The rest of the family should play a part in breastfeeding IMO. It may be in the best interest of a single mom of 2 to consider formula. The amount of time breast feeding takes up, initially, is way too much for one parent to handle. 3) The biggest issue I see with you arguments is your constant pegging of society as pushing "rugged individualism" or "society neglecting" people. What, is a mother from down the road supposed to come over, whip out a boob, and help out with the feedings? Is this the "It takes a village" mantra we're hearing here? Providing for your child is an individual task. I don't expect my neighbors to come over and wash my kids clothes. I'm doing it, it's my child. As I should be.
 
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I don't have any issue with the way this is being done. Just like getting information beforehand about which is best, it is also important to get and give information to your hospital about how they support either breastfeeding or bottlefeeding. Breastfeeding is best and should be what is encouraged.

If a woman cannot or just doesn't want to breastfeed, there is nothing wrong with that, just as there is nothing wrong with having an epidural during birth, but that doesn't mean that should be encouraged. It shouldn't be condemned either, but just putting the formula away isn't really condemning people for formula feeding. I don't really agree with the mother getting a lecture every time the formula is given though, especially if she gave the hospital how she felt about bottle feeding over breastfeeding beforehand and this wasn't just some "I'm not sure" decision.

Now, I do think it is a little weird for him to be so concerned with it, but then again there are a lot of people out there who are overly concerned with other people's lives/choices.
This is the biggest issue to me. A lecture every time? Talk about treating people disrespectfully. No, lecture one time... if you must... have them sign a waiver and be done with it.

I am also concerned with locking it away and making a nurse sign for it, etc. Yeah, I get they wasn't to discourage its use by making it as difficult as possible to use... probably hoping some mothers will give in and breast feed if the process for formula takes too long... but formula is not a controlled substance, period, and shouldn't be treated as such.
 
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Look bro (yes, you've revealed yourself to be a man) there's a few problems with your statements. 1) You're a man. Where do you pull the knowledge, expertise, or experience to say what a woman is feeling or thinking when considering or practicing breast feeding? Studying a book or reading articles about breastfeeding doesnt make you an expert. It makes you informed.

It's common sense. If this ISN'T common sense for you, then I would worry about how you see society.

2) Not everyone is mentally weak enough to allow societal factors play into what they decide to do with their body. Especially in this case. No one is standing in that delivery room when the mother decides to feed her baby for the first time. Its usually the mother, the father (hopefully), and maybe a nurse. The mother gets no societal pressure in that environment. She makes the best decision she can for her baby and for the rest of her family. The rest of the family should play a part in breastfeeding IMO. It may be in the best interest of a single mom of 2 to consider formula. The amount of time breast feeding takes up, initially, is way too much for one parent to handle.

I'm not just talking about breast-feeding. I'm talking about household management in general. Time, energy, and attention gets substituted between one activity and the next.

3) The biggest issue I see with you arguments is your constant pegging of society as pushing "rugged individualism" or "society neglecting" people. What, is a mother from down the road supposed to come over, whip out a boob, and help out with the feedings? Is this the "It takes a village" mantra we're hearing here? Providing for your child is an individual task. I don't expect my neighbors to come over and wash my kids clothes. I'm doing it, it's my child. As I should be.

Believe me, I wholeheartedly support family values for the sake of having responsibility.
 
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