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    Re: Bloomberg pushing NY hospitals to hide baby formula so more new moms will breast-

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Do you think society effects every single thing about our bodies and how we function - or fail to function? Your thought process seems strange.
    To a degree, yes. There are side effects from everything. If we want things synchronized such that everyone's respected, then society has to holistically appreciate the exercise of free will. We can't pressure people to do things, nor can we let people pressure others to do things.

    In order to be able to produce breastmilk you have to have developed mammary glands in response to hormonal and chemical changes in the body. . . and so forth. Numerous things - like other health issues - can halt and inhibit this process.
    Yes.

    You're talking as if every mother who has issues has mental problems or negative connotations with nursing - why do you assume this?
    I'm not sure what you mean by "mental problems", but many women are traumatized from negligence.

    A lot of women don't have problems at all with the concept - nothing negative what so ever . .. but might still have physical issues that inhibit the process.
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    Re: Bloomberg pushing NY hospitals to hide baby formula so more new moms will breast-

    Bloomberg is just ahead of his time. Micromanagement is the wave of the future. The ONLY area SAFE from micromanagement is breeding. Breed away, all day. Let's run our population up to billions ASAP. Of course, with so many people, those people won't know what to do. So, the government can then direct, manipulate and control every aspect of life.

    New York City is a perfect place for this type of social control. Lots of people in a concentrated area. Easy to monitor, easy to influence. In another 100 years, everywhere will be like New York City.

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    Re: Bloomberg pushing NY hospitals to hide baby formula so more new moms will breast-

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    Again, the problem seems social. If there's pressure, society needs to organize so that pressure goes away and turns into love.

    The main problem is people are obsessed with results. They don't realize that results take process - that people have to care to get things done, and we can't force people to care. The best we can do is prohibit people from participating in the first place when they don't care.

    It seems that at some level, you and your wife were pressured to fit social expectations before you were ready, or maybe society just neglected you and imposed rugged individualism.
    Look bro (yes, you've revealed yourself to be a man) there's a few problems with your statements. 1) You're a man. Where do you pull the knowledge, expertise, or experience to say what a woman is feeling or thinking when considering or practicing breast feeding? Studying a book or reading articles about breastfeeding doesnt make you an expert. It makes you informed. 2) Not everyone is mentally weak enough to allow societal factors play into what they decide to do with their body. Especially in this case. No one is standing in that delivery room when the mother decides to feed her baby for the first time. Its usually the mother, the father (hopefully), and maybe a nurse. The mother gets no societal pressure in that environment. She makes the best decision she can for her baby and for the rest of her family. The rest of the family should play a part in breastfeeding IMO. It may be in the best interest of a single mom of 2 to consider formula. The amount of time breast feeding takes up, initially, is way too much for one parent to handle. 3) The biggest issue I see with you arguments is your constant pegging of society as pushing "rugged individualism" or "society neglecting" people. What, is a mother from down the road supposed to come over, whip out a boob, and help out with the feedings? Is this the "It takes a village" mantra we're hearing here? Providing for your child is an individual task. I don't expect my neighbors to come over and wash my kids clothes. I'm doing it, it's my child. As I should be.
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    Re: Bloomberg pushing NY hospitals to hide baby formula so more new moms will breast-

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I don't have any issue with the way this is being done. Just like getting information beforehand about which is best, it is also important to get and give information to your hospital about how they support either breastfeeding or bottlefeeding. Breastfeeding is best and should be what is encouraged.

    If a woman cannot or just doesn't want to breastfeed, there is nothing wrong with that, just as there is nothing wrong with having an epidural during birth, but that doesn't mean that should be encouraged. It shouldn't be condemned either, but just putting the formula away isn't really condemning people for formula feeding. I don't really agree with the mother getting a lecture every time the formula is given though, especially if she gave the hospital how she felt about bottle feeding over breastfeeding beforehand and this wasn't just some "I'm not sure" decision.

    Now, I do think it is a little weird for him to be so concerned with it, but then again there are a lot of people out there who are overly concerned with other people's lives/choices.
    This is the biggest issue to me. A lecture every time? Talk about treating people disrespectfully. No, lecture one time... if you must... have them sign a waiver and be done with it.

    I am also concerned with locking it away and making a nurse sign for it, etc. Yeah, I get they wasn't to discourage its use by making it as difficult as possible to use... probably hoping some mothers will give in and breast feed if the process for formula takes too long... but formula is not a controlled substance, period, and shouldn't be treated as such.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Bloomberg pushing NY hospitals to hide baby formula so more new moms will breast-

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Look bro (yes, you've revealed yourself to be a man) there's a few problems with your statements. 1) You're a man. Where do you pull the knowledge, expertise, or experience to say what a woman is feeling or thinking when considering or practicing breast feeding? Studying a book or reading articles about breastfeeding doesnt make you an expert. It makes you informed.
    It's common sense. If this ISN'T common sense for you, then I would worry about how you see society.

    2) Not everyone is mentally weak enough to allow societal factors play into what they decide to do with their body. Especially in this case. No one is standing in that delivery room when the mother decides to feed her baby for the first time. Its usually the mother, the father (hopefully), and maybe a nurse. The mother gets no societal pressure in that environment. She makes the best decision she can for her baby and for the rest of her family. The rest of the family should play a part in breastfeeding IMO. It may be in the best interest of a single mom of 2 to consider formula. The amount of time breast feeding takes up, initially, is way too much for one parent to handle.
    I'm not just talking about breast-feeding. I'm talking about household management in general. Time, energy, and attention gets substituted between one activity and the next.

    3) The biggest issue I see with you arguments is your constant pegging of society as pushing "rugged individualism" or "society neglecting" people. What, is a mother from down the road supposed to come over, whip out a boob, and help out with the feedings? Is this the "It takes a village" mantra we're hearing here? Providing for your child is an individual task. I don't expect my neighbors to come over and wash my kids clothes. I'm doing it, it's my child. As I should be.
    Believe me, I wholeheartedly support family values for the sake of having responsibility.

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    Re: Bloomberg pushing NY hospitals to hide baby formula so more new moms will breast-

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    It's common sense. If this ISN'T common sense for you, then I would worry about how you see society.
    So I, as a man with common sense, should just know all of the emotions involved with a child locking on to my nipple and sucking milk out? It doesn't take me experiencing it?
    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    I'm not just talking about breast-feeding. I'm talking about household management in general. Time, energy, and attention gets substituted between one activity and the next.
    Explain further please.
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    Re: Bloomberg pushing NY hospitals to hide baby formula so more new moms will breast-

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    So I, as a man with common sense, should just know all of the emotions involved with a child locking on to my nipple and sucking milk out? It doesn't take me experiencing it?
    As a person, you should know that emotional frustration coincides with social negligence.

    Out of curiosity, are you one of those guys who constantly nags women about, "How can I help?" or "What did I do wrong?"

    Explain further please.
    If a mother is exhausted with other chores, that means she won't feel as comfortable breast feeding.

    It's a big picture.

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    Re: Bloomberg pushing NY hospitals to hide baby formula so more new moms will breast-

    Every time I come back to this thread I do a *facepalm*.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Bloomberg pushing NY hospitals to hide baby formula so more new moms will breast-

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    As a person, you should know that emotional frustration coincides with social negligence.
    Out of curiosity, are you one of those guys who constantly nags women about, "How can I help?" or "What did I do wrong?"
    Nah, I just do things as I see they need to be done. Plus, the only woman I deal with is my wife. I don't care what any other woman thinks of me. Here's what I do know. I will never know what it feels like to have a baby depend upon me for its food. Only a woman that is breastfeeding can know that. There are only a few basic needs that a baby demands. Food, sleep, and cleanliness. I can put my child to bed, I can give her a bath or change her diaper, but I can never know what it feels like to breast feed her. If you have a kid, you know which one they scream for the hardest.

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    If a mother is exhausted with other chores, that means she won't feel as comfortable breast feeding.

    It's a big picture.
    Aaannnddd, your point is...........
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    Re: Bloomberg pushing NY hospitals to hide baby formula so more new moms will breast-

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Nah, I just do things as I see they need to be done. Plus, the only woman I deal with is my wife. I don't care what any other woman thinks of me. Here's what I do know. I will never know what it feels like to have a baby depend upon me for its food. Only a woman that is breastfeeding can know that. There are only a few basic needs that a baby demands. Food, sleep, and cleanliness. I can put my child to bed, I can give her a bath or change her diaper, but I can never know what it feels like to breast feed her. If you have a kid, you know which one they scream for the hardest.


    Aaannnddd, your point is...........
    My point is you don't need to feel pain to know that someone's in need of assistance.

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