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    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    Good for him. Mother-child relationships are vital for healthy growth and development.
    My wife, try as she might, was unable to get our aon to latch on, and even when pumping could rarely get more than a milliliter or two after a solid twenty minutes of pumping. There is inordinate pressure on women to breastfeed today regardless of their ability to do so.

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    Re: Bloomberg pushing NY hospitals to hide baby formula so more new moms will breast-

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    That doesn't sound like a nursing problem. It sounds like a socializing problem. Your family and community weren't around to help you or help you feel included.

    It also sounds like you were feeding the problem. If bad thoughts are in your head, then you shouldn't be thinking. Just acknowledge that whatever is happening is beyond your control, so it doesn't count.
    LOL - it's nearly impossible to not have thoughts and feelings. I just accepted that I had to do it regardless of how I felt - I just didn't let my husband touch me sexually that way until it was over. It was much easier - and so I nursed longer - when he was deployed after we had our 4th. Then I was able to be all mom and no wife. He at least understood my serious issues and didn't try to work around it - he let me deal with it and was nothing but supportive. When he came home on leave I didn't nurse - I took that one week to bottle feed only and suffered for it later.

    I'm not expecting you to understand - you'll never have to deal with that balance. I do wonder all the time what it's like being on the outside of it all and just watching someone else do everything. . . and I'll never grasp how it is to just see it from a distance - same thing.

    But the social thing; isn't that strange? Doesn't that sound illogical? That we need others to help us with something that's suppose to be basic and fundamental to our survival as a species? Somewhat amusing - we're just stupid like that as a species that we need others around. LOL We're inept.
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    Re: Bloomberg pushing NY hospitals to hide baby formula so more new moms will breast-

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    My wife, try as she might, was unable to get our aon to latch on, and even when pumping could rarely get more than a milliliter or two after a solid twenty minutes of pumping. There is inordinate pressure on women to breastfeed today regardless of their ability to do so.

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    Again, the problem seems social. If there's pressure, society needs to organize so that pressure goes away and turns into love.

    The main problem is people are obsessed with results. They don't realize that results take process - that people have to care to get things done, and we can't force people to care. The best we can do is prohibit people from participating in the first place when they don't care.

    It seems that at some level, you and your wife were pressured to fit social expectations before you were ready, or maybe society just neglected you and imposed rugged individualism.

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    Re: Bloomberg pushing NY hospitals to hide baby formula so more new moms will breast-

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    LOL - it's nearly impossible to not have thoughts and feelings. I just accepted that I had to do it regardless of how I felt - I just didn't let my husband touch me sexually that way until it was over. It was much easier - and so I nursed longer - when he was deployed after we had our 4th. Then I was able to be all mom and no wife. He at least understood my serious issues and didn't try to work around it - he let me deal with it and was nothing but supportive. When he came home on leave I didn't nurse - I took that one week to bottle feed only and suffered for it later.

    I'm not expecting you to understand - you'll never have to deal with that balance. I do wonder all the time what it's like being on the outside of it all and just watching someone else do everything. . . and I'll never grasp how it is to just see it from a distance - same thing.

    But the social thing; isn't that strange? Doesn't that sound illogical? That we need others to help us with something that's suppose to be basic and fundamental to our survival as a species? Somewhat amusing - we're just stupid like that as a species that we need others around. LOL We're inept.
    There are times when people can only help each other rather than helping themselves.

    I think part of it has to do with your husband's deployment as well. The same reason your husband enlisted in the military is why you struggled in nursing. People join the military because civilian life doesn't accommodate them, and when civilian life isn't accommodating, families become dysfunctional.

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    Re: Bloomberg pushing NY hospitals to hide baby formula so more new moms will breast-

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    Again, the problem seems social. If there's pressure, society needs to organize so that pressure goes away and turns into love.

    The main problem is people are obsessed with results. They don't realize that results take process - that people have to care to get things done, and we can't force people to care. The best we can do is prohibit people from participating in the first place when they don't care.

    It seems that at some level, you and your wife were pressured to fit social expectations before you were ready, or maybe society just neglected you and imposed rugged individualism.
    Some women just don't produce breast milk - there are medications that can be given but if the body didn't develop in that way it's just not going to happen. It's not very common but it does occur.

    Likewise - Some babies just don't take to nursing at all - in the past they would have just wasted away. Now we can at least offer something - so in that situation, which is natural and does happen, at least we don't have to give such babies a death sentence. Another not very common but it does occur situation.
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    ...or it could be a physiological issue preventing the nursing. Not every problem is solved by blaming repressive society Dak.

    BTW I have zero doubt that you are male now, not that I really doubted it before.


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    Re: Bloomberg pushing NY hospitals to hide baby formula so more new moms will breast-

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Some women just don't produce breast milk - there are medications that can be given but if the body didn't develop in that way it's just not going to happen. It's not very common but it does occur.

    Likewise - Some babies just don't take to nursing at all - in the past they would have just wasted away. Now we can at least offer something - so in that situation, which is natural and does happen, at least we don't have to give such babies a death sentence. Another not very common but it does occur situation.
    Oh definitely. People can underdevelop because of society stressing them out.

    The problem is society takes halfway solutions such as bottle feeding as an excuse to stress people out. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Bottles are needed because people are stressed, so stress keeps happening because people have bottles.

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    Re: Bloomberg pushing NY hospitals to hide baby formula so more new moms will breast-

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    Oh definitely. People can underdevelop because of society stressing them out.

    The problem is society takes halfway solutions such as bottle feeding as an excuse to stress people out. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Bottles are needed because people are stressed, so stress keeps happening because people have bottles.
    Do you think society effects every single thing about our bodies and how we function - or fail to function? Your thought process seems strange.

    In order to be able to produce breastmilk you have to have developed mammary glands in response to hormonal and chemical changes in the body. . . and so forth. Numerous things - like other health issues - can halt and inhibit this process.

    You're talking as if every mother who has issues has mental problems or negative connotations with nursing - why do you assume this? A lot of women don't have problems at all with the concept - nothing negative what so ever . .. but might still have physical issues that inhibit the process.
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    Re: Bloomberg pushing NY hospitals to hide baby formula so more new moms will breast-

    I don't have any issue with the way this is being done. Just like getting information beforehand about which is best, it is also important to get and give information to your hospital about how they support either breastfeeding or bottlefeeding. Breastfeeding is best and should be what is encouraged.

    If a woman cannot or just doesn't want to breastfeed, there is nothing wrong with that, just as there is nothing wrong with having an epidural during birth, but that doesn't mean that should be encouraged. It shouldn't be condemned either, but just putting the formula away isn't really condemning people for formula feeding. I don't really agree with the mother getting a lecture every time the formula is given though, especially if she gave the hospital how she felt about bottle feeding over breastfeeding beforehand and this wasn't just some "I'm not sure" decision.

    Now, I do think it is a little weird for him to be so concerned with it, but then again there are a lot of people out there who are overly concerned with other people's lives/choices.
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