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    Re: Gun carrying man ends stabbing spree at grocery store

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Totally agree, even under the best training the assailant can still get in a lucky hit, if they stab the leg and get the femoral it's over, or the aorta if they go chest. Someone mentioned at this site as well that even in self defense situations where a knife was used a jury can be swayed to vote against the defense due to the gruesome nature of the scene photos, whereas if someone doesn't get stupid with their shooting it leaves a cleaner "appearing" wound channel.
    Yup, that and the popular perception of the knife as the weapon of thugs and assassins. Which is BS... a weapon is a weapon, and dead is dead, but there ya have it.

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    Re: Gun carrying man ends stabbing spree at grocery store

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Yup, that and the popular perception of the knife as the weapon of thugs and assassins. Which is BS... a weapon is a weapon, and dead is dead, but there ya have it.
    If all I had was a beer bottle and was forced to use it I would, I think people are too easily swayed by emotions and misconceptions. Though I can see in a streetfight where things get convoluted, it is afterall a very quick event with devastating outcomes.
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    Re: Gun carrying man ends stabbing spree at grocery store

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Fortunately, most knife assailants don't know what they are doing, and unfortunately. If someone knows the killzones and how to break the wrist, close the hand, and when to "step in" to the thrust or slash they can kill in seconds, the unfortunate part is that the assailant without knowledge tends to hack and slash and it's a slow, gruesome process. The fortunate part is that anyone who knows just a little bit about self defense has a chance against someone without knowledge of knife techniques.
    If you haven't already, check the video link I posted above. When a knife weilding assailant stabs you 12-13 times in under 7 seconds, he doesn't need to be a master of anatomy. In the face of a knife assault, many people are just overwhelmed by the sheer savagery of it.

    Here's another good watch. This instructor knows what he's talking about.

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    Re: Gun carrying man ends stabbing spree at grocery store

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    Cars and alcohol don't kill people, either, but we restrict possession and use of them, too. It would be really nice if we could have an intelligent conversation over gun control, rather than reactionary ones where proponents of gun ownership rely on slogans to diffuse the discussion itself. There is no popular movement for mass disarmament, only reasonable restrictions, specifically to prevent violent incidents. The right and ability to protect oneself or one's home are not on the chopping block. Nor is the ability of citizens to keep weapons as a caution against tyranny. The issue is safety, and whether a little bit of regulation could go a long way to keeping us safe from violence. Not a lot of regulation going a little way. That would be unconstitutional. But the discussion must take place. The facts must be evaluated. If it turns out that restricting guns won't make us safer, than we shouldn't restrict them. But we at least have to address the issue in a rational manner, not with outrage.
    The only way to see if restricting guns will make us safer is by...restricting guns. And frankly, I'd rather take my chances WITH a gun, than without.



    The difference, obviously, is that knives have a purpose beyond violence. Guns do not. They are weapons, with no use other than killing. This is an important distinction that makes evaluating guns different from evaluating other things. Crossbows, for example, have no use other than as weaponry. Baseball bats do. See the difference?
    Really? Because it seems to me, the gun in the OP had a purpose...that purpose being, stopping the guy with the knife, without a single shot fired. If what you say is true, the dude with the knife should be dead right now. Is he? No. Then, what you say must not, in fact, be true.

    Guns are lethal, yes, but lethality is not their sole purpose. No, one can say their purpose is more the THREAT of lethality. I could just as easily say that the purpose of martial arts is to harm others. It was designed with that specific purpose in mind. To allow one combatant to more easily and more effectively incapacitate another. Should be ban or restrict the teaching or martial arts? No. Heck, that stuff is fine to sign your kids up for. But wait. Despite the purpose of it's design, there have been other useful things it can do. Like keep otherwise inactive people in decent shape, instilling confidence in those that practice it, and, more than anything else, teaching focus and restraint. Guns do the same thing, dude. Someone with a gun is going to be a LOT more confident about getting back to their car, way out on the other end of the unlit parking lot at night, after work. Someone who has learned how to effectively USE a gun, has a lot more respect for the finality to a situation that it offers, and a greater since of responsibility about it's use. There are far, far, far more stories of responsible gun owners than there are of irresponsible gun owners...otherwise, with millions upon millions of gun owners IN the US, we'd all be getting shot at, all the time. And I, for one, have NEVER been shot at. Anyone else care to give a show of hands, if they have NOT been shot at, lol? I'll imagine we GREATLY outnumber those that have. Inexplicably, of course, lol.
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    Re: Gun carrying man ends stabbing spree at grocery store

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    If you haven't already, check the video link I posted above. When a knife weilding assailant stabs you 12-13 times in under 7 seconds, he doesn't need to be a master of anatomy. In the face of a knife assault, many people are just overwhelmed by the sheer savagery of it.

    Here's another good watch. This instructor knows what he's talking about.

    Possible NSFW due to language.
    I can't get either to play but I get the gist of your point. The thing is that sure you are correct, the person who is flailing with a knife like that is absolutely dangerous, and moreso than someone with a gun due to the nature of the attack, if they don't know what they are doing you can try to get them to tire themselves out before they land a lethal hit or if you feel lucky can try to disarm them. I'd actually rather not have to disarm a knife holder and would rather someone with a gun.
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