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    Re: Gun carrying man ends stabbing spree at grocery store

    I, for one, don't believe a word of the OP article. After all, everyone knows that if a law abiding citizen carries a gun they can't unholster it without shooting themselves or a loved one instead of actually stopping a crime!

    I'd rather have a gun pointed at me then be attacked with a knife any day. Knife attacks never look like they do in the movies...
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    Re: Gun carrying man ends stabbing spree at grocery store

    Speaking of amusing anecdotes, this used to hand on the wall in my veternarian's office...


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    Re: Gun carrying man ends stabbing spree at grocery store

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    7 billion people on the planet. Even assuming 1 percent of people are just plain nuts, that totals to 70 million whack-a-doodles out there. That's almost the entire country of Turkey.
    And those whackadoodles tend to off themselves or others with whatever they can get...
    Firearms, bought legally or illegally...
    ... knives, swords, hammers, rocks, ballbats...
    ... Sarin nerve gas....

    .... Jetliners full of passengers...

    ... explosives made of fertilizer and diesel fuel....


    All of those have happened IRL.... guess which ones had the highest body count by far?

    (hint: they didn't involve firearms)

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    Re: Gun carrying man ends stabbing spree at grocery store

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    And those whackadoodles tend to off themselves or others with whatever they can get...
    Firearms, bought legally or illegally...
    ... knives, swords, hammers, rocks, ballbats...
    ... Sarin nerve gas....

    .... Jetliners full of passengers...

    ... explosives made of fertilizer and diesel fuel....


    All of those have happened IRL.... guess which ones had the highest body count by far?

    (hint: they didn't involve firearms)
    My point wasn't about controlling/getting rid of guns. Just that crazies exist and we have no way of stopping them.
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    Re: Gun carrying man ends stabbing spree at grocery store

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    My point wasn't about controlling/getting rid of guns. Just that crazies exist and we have no way of stopping them.

    No argument. In a world like we have today, with so many people, there are going to be fruitloops now and then, and preventing their fruit-loopery just isn't likely.




    Except, the way the armed citizen in this story did it....
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    Re: Gun carrying man ends stabbing spree at grocery store

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I would disagree somewhat. A knife is a deadly weapon every bit as much as a gun; a knife can kill very readily. When I was in LE we had many training sessions about knives, mainly to teach us to take them very seriously. A man can run 25 feet and stab you in the time it takes to draw a pistol and shoot him. Stab wounds are often fatal.

    The man had already cut or stabbed more than one person; he had already committed Attempted Murder. Shooting him is a reasonable response; he is fortunate that the armed citizen who stopped his rampage before it reached "national news body count level" desired not to kill him if it could be avoided. Had he pulled the trigger without warning it would have been a justifiable shoot no question.
    Fortunately, most knife assailants don't know what they are doing, and unfortunately. If someone knows the killzones and how to break the wrist, close the hand, and when to "step in" to the thrust or slash they can kill in seconds, the unfortunate part is that the assailant without knowledge tends to hack and slash and it's a slow, gruesome process. The fortunate part is that anyone who knows just a little bit about self defense has a chance against someone without knowledge of knife techniques.
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    Re: Gun carrying man ends stabbing spree at grocery store

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Fortunately, most knife assailants don't know what they are doing, and unfortunately. If someone knows the killzones and how to break the wrist, close the hand, and when to "step in" to the thrust or slash they can kill in seconds, the unfortunate part is that the assailant without knowledge tends to hack and slash and it's a slow, gruesome process. The fortunate part is that anyone who knows just a little bit about self defense has a chance against someone without knowledge of knife techniques.

    True enough, but empty hands against a knife is still a royal bitch.

    In LE training we saw hidden-camera films of prison inmates training in knife techniques. Their methods emphasize surprise, gang attacks with one holding and one stabbing, and repeated stabbing attacks.... and they may not be experts on anatomy but they have a pretty decent rough idea of where to stab for best effect.

    It is a Bad Thing that some of the scumbags also train their techniques.

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    Re: Gun carrying man ends stabbing spree at grocery store

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    I don't think anyone would have second guessed, depending on how things went down. My statement was based on jamesrage reasoning. We don't get to decide who gets to live or die and that is what he was suggesting.

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    All I can say to that is if I'm armed and a knife assailant is causing harm to myself or others he gets one chance to lay down the weapon and surrender, in La. third party defense falls under self defense protection and I can use appropriate force to stop aggression or prevent bodily harm. If that assailant so much as twitches he's getting two shots center mass.
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    Re: Gun carrying man ends stabbing spree at grocery store

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Speaking of amusing anecdotes, this used to hand on the wall in my veternarian's office...


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    This is one of my personal faves.
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    Re: Gun carrying man ends stabbing spree at grocery store

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    True enough, but empty hands against a knife is still a royal bitch.

    In LE training we saw hidden-camera films of prison inmates training in knife techniques. Their methods emphasize surprise, gang attacks with one holding and one stabbing, and repeated stabbing attacks.... and they may not be experts on anatomy but they have a pretty decent rough idea of where to stab for best effect.

    It is a Bad Thing that some of the scumbags also train their techniques.
    Totally agree, even under the best training the assailant can still get in a lucky hit, if they stab the leg and get the femoral it's over, or the aorta if they go chest. Someone mentioned at this site as well that even in self defense situations where a knife was used a jury can be swayed to vote against the defense due to the gruesome nature of the scene photos, whereas if someone doesn't get stupid with their shooting it leaves a cleaner "appearing" wound channel.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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