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    Re: Obama signs Israel military aid bill on eve of Romney visit

    The Cost Of Israel To U.S. Taxpayer's

    By Richard H. Curtiss
    Former U.S. Foreign Service Officer
    The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs


    For many years the American media said that “Israel receives $1.8 billion in military aid” or that “Israel receives $1.2 billion in economic aid.” Both statements were true, but since they were never combined to give us the complete total of annual U.S. aid to Israel, they also were lies—true lies.

    Recently Americans have begun to read and hear that “Israel receives $3 billion in annual U.S. foreign aid.” That's true. But it's still a lie. The problem is that in fiscal 1997 alone, Israel received from a variety of other U.S. federal budgets at least $525.8 million above and beyond its $3 billion from the foreign aid budget, and yet another $2 billion in federal loan guarantees. So the complete total of U.S. grants and loan guarantees to Israel for fiscal 1997 was $5,525,800,000.
    The Cost of Israel to US Taxpayers

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    Obama Approves $30 Billion in Military Aid to Israel Over Next Decade
    Obama Approves $30 Billion in Military Aid to Israel Over Next Decade -- News from Antiwar.com
    A Conservative Estimate of Total Direct U.S. Aid to Israel: Almost $114 Billion

    Washington Report on Middle East Affairs | Washington Report on Middle East Affairs
    U.S. Aid To Israel

    U.S. Aid To Israel

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    Re: Obama signs Israel military aid bill on eve of Romney visit

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    I am unsure how you can claim this is the product of the congress, when his administration would decide when and how they were going to conduct the signing.
    Well, let me clear it up for you. Israel requested the additional funding in May. Obama submitted the request to Congress at that time, and they finally approved it on July 18. Obama signed the appropriation on July 27. So I guess it's possible that it was a conspiracy by Israel, Obama, the Senate, and the Republican-controlled House to undermine Romney's field trip ... but I rather doubt it.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Obama signs Israel military aid bill on eve of Romney visit

    This is a bad bill, not a good one. What exactly are *we*, you know, the moneyclip, getting out of this? Oh, that's right. I'm not supposed to ask that.

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    Re: Obama signs Israel military aid bill on eve of Romney visit

    Quote Originally Posted by 24107 View Post
    The Cost Of Israel To U.S. Taxpayer's


    The Cost of Israel to US Taxpayers

    Here are some more links/sources
    Obama Approves $30 Billion in Military Aid to Israel Over Next Decade
    Obama Approves $30 Billion in Military Aid to Israel Over Next Decade -- News from Antiwar.com
    A Conservative Estimate of Total Direct U.S. Aid to Israel: Almost $114 Billion

    Washington Report on Middle East Affairs | Washington Report on Middle East Affairs
    U.S. Aid To Israel

    U.S. Aid To Israel
    Just so no-one is confused, the links are somewhat out of date. Israel does not receive direct economic aid, and hasn't for quite a few years now. It's military aid package which was pre-agreed upon by the Bush administration rings up at about $3 billion over a 5 year period totaling $15 billion in direct disbursements and joint development projects which are accounted as part of the aid. This signing refers to a one time $70 million disbursement related to counter-terrorism issues and joint projects.

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    Re: Obama signs Israel military aid bill on eve of Romney visit

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Well, let me clear it up for you. Israel requested the additional funding in May. Obama submitted the request to Congress at that time, and they finally approved it on July 18. Obama signed the appropriation on July 27. So I guess it's possible that it was a conspiracy by Israel, Obama, the Senate, and the Republican-controlled House to undermine Romney's field trip ... but I rather doubt it.
    Adam, nothing I stated presupposes a conspiracy, only having the ability to decide when to sign (they have complete control to do so after the romney visit), and under what circumstances (they could have signed it without the pageantry). Things you have previously asserted to be due to the actions of congress, when congress has no such input. Also, taking advantages of opportune circumstances doesn't presuppose a conspiracy, either

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    Re: Obama signs Israel military aid bill on eve of Romney visit

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    so, you want us to believe that giving $70 million to the israelis is money better spent than caring for American citizens who need help
    as the money is obviously not being paid for, its simply adding to our deficit.

    I'd rather the money not have been spend at all.

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    Re: Obama signs Israel military aid bill on eve of Romney visit

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Less than 200 people a year (in the US) have starvation listed as the cause of death. But the numbers of the perpetually underfed (starving for days, then having just enough, rinse, repeat) are in the millions.

    The figures have been posted.
    I'd love to see the photos of these "starving" Americans.

    do they look like the photos of the poor kids in Africa, starving?

    surely not.

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    Re: Obama signs Israel military aid bill on eve of Romney visit

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I'd love to see the photos of these "starving" Americans.
    No doubt. That's just as sadistic as saying Americans have to pay for others' struggles.

    do they look like the photos of the poor kids in Africa, starving?
    Starving is starving. Why does that matter?

    surely not.
    Prove it.

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    Re: Obama signs Israel military aid bill on eve of Romney visit

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    ...Prove it.
    hey, its your silly claim that folks are starving in the USA.

    its your burden to prove it.

    now, are folks hungry in the USA? surely.

    starvation is a severe lack of food the the nutrients that come with it.

    there is NO evidence that this is a real problem in the USA, or that it effects more than 1,000 people in the USA.

    of course, you are welcome to prove me wrong, as its your claim.

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    Re: Obama signs Israel military aid bill on eve of Romney visit

    I already pointed out soup kitchens, food stamps, and organizations such as "Feed the Children". That evidence goes without repeating.

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