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Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

I think we all agree that everyone is within their rights. People seem to have a problem with me telling them it is not right to boycott a business because of the owners religious beliefs, which is what i am arguing.

Actually I think people seem to have a problem with you telling them they're bigots for boycotting a business due to the owners religious beliefs....the owners political views....or the owners support for groups and the religious/political beliefs of those groups.

I don't think people are having a problem that you're saying it's not right to boycott it. I think they have an issue with you labeling a desire to boycott as being a bigot.
 
that has already been discredited. sorry.

No it hasn't and it has in fact been proven. The company stands by and supports other organizations actively fighting against SSM.
 
It is not because of his personal religious beliefs. It is not because of his personal donations to groups. It is because of donations in the COMPANY name to organizations that actively lobby to deny equal rights for a segment of society.

I'll go a step further and add that his retarded rhetoric of SSM "inviting God's Judgement on our nation" goes beyond a personal belief and advocating for imposing his personal belief on the whole nation.
 
People have the right to protest and boycott. I'm sure each case has different specifics.

You realize that Christians protest and boycott places too, right? Planned Parenthood, adult book stores, gentlemen's clubs, and since you are so fond of the one Christian equals all Christians philosphy, soldiers' funerals.

yes i do. and when christians protest a group based on that groups religion it is no more right. if you are going to try to defend the actions of the bigots discriminating against christians by pointing out that christians do it too you are wasting your time. two wrongs dont make a right now matter how biased you are.
 
all mosques in my knowledge teach that homosexuality is wrong and are against ssm. same as the churches these poeople are protesting in front of.

Not all Christians oppose SSM. You have been told this repeatedly.
 
all mosques in my knowledge teach that homosexuality is wrong and are against ssm. same as the churches these poeople are protesting in front of.

See, that's funny...I specifically mention businesses and you just side step that and blather on about churches, which I didn't say a single thing about.

Odd...could that be because you can't show me a business where a muslim president of it said things publicly similar to what the Chick-Fil-A president stated?

I'm one of those that thinks it's rather stupid to boycott it, but I understand it and have no problem with people who want to do it. And I'm also someone that thinks a lot of people are amazingly unprincipled and simply spurred by the cause du jour of the moment and are hollow in their applicatoin of principle. But I don't think that's evidence of them being bigots...perhaps ignorant to the rights violations being undertaken by numerous companies they do business with, but not actively bigoted.
 
that has already been discredited. sorry.

Where? He was speaking for the company. He donated company money.
Show me where he only made donations of his own personal money.
 
You know, I'm not sure we're arguing anything of substance here. ChickFilA's CEO has the absolute right to express his opinion. He has the absolute right, as the CEO and major shareholder of ChickFilA, to donate to whatever legitimate charities he sees fit. And consumers have the absolute right to reject him and his company by boycotting his stores.

Anyone on either side of the argument have a problem with that?

Nope. The only issue that seems to even still exist in this debate is arguing with muciti on whether or not people are bigoted for boycotting Chick-Fil-A, and earlier with you on whether or not Cathy's actions were bigotted in nature.
 
yes i do. and when christians protest a group based on that groups religion it is no more right. if you are going to try to defend the actions of the bigots discriminating against christians by pointing out that christians do it too you are wasting your time. two wrongs dont make a right now matter how biased you are.

There is nothing wrong with people expressing that they believe another group's beliefs are wrong.
 
No it hasn't and it has in fact been proven. The company stands by and supports other organizations actively fighting against SSM.

he does not donate to those organizations in the name of chick fil a he donates to them under another name provided in the link you gave. also you said you werent discussing this with me anymore.
 
Where? He was speaking for the company. He donated company money.
Show me where he only made donations of his own personal money.

the money that chick fil a makes is his money own personal money. he puts some of that money into another name that is a few pages back and under that name money is donated to various christian organizations.
 
I'm one of those that thinks it's rather stupid to boycott it, but I understand it and have no problem with people who want to do it.

Why do you think it's stupid to refuse to give money to a business that actively works against a cause you believe in?
 
Why do you think it's stupid to refuse to give money to a business that actively works against a cause you believe in?

when you are picking out christian businesses that actively work against it but say its wrong to boycott muslim businesses that do, that is bigotry.
 
when you are picking out christian businesses that actively work against it but say its wrong to boycott muslim businesses that do, that is bigotry.

What Muslim business is doing this?
 
when you are picking out christian businesses that actively work against it but say its wrong to boycott muslim businesses that do, that is bigotry.

You were challenged to cite an example of an actual (not hypothetical) case of a Muslim business of similar situation (to CFA) and declined to do so. You have an annoying habit of skipping past substantiation of claims generally, treating hype and supposition as being on equal footing with facts.

Hint: they're not.

Also, it's a rather tired diversionary tactic to try to focus attention on alleged hypocrisy of critics, as it takes heat away from the topic at hand (the specific case of CFA owner Cathy and his conduct).
 
You were challenged to cite an example of an actual (not hypothetical) case of a Muslim business of similar situation (to CFA) and declined to do so. You have an annoying habit of skipping past substantiation of claims generally, treating hype and supposition as being on equal footing with facts.

Hint: they're not.

Also, it's a rather tired diversionary tactic to try to focus attention on alleged hypocrisy of critics, as it takes heat away from the topic at hand (the specific case of CFA owner Cathy and his conduct).

this really is not that difficult to comprehend. A christian man who donates money is apparently a bigot for donating money to christian organizations because these organizations are anti ssm. Muslims do the exact same thing. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a muslim business owner who does not donate to muslim organizations.
 
when you are picking out christian businesses that actively work against it but say its wrong to boycott muslim businesses that do, that is bigotry.

When did I say it was wrong to boycott Muslim businesses?

Is putting words in my mouth bigotry also?
 
When did I say it was wrong to boycott Muslim businesses?

Is putting words in my mouth bigotry also?

i dont know. i will flat out ask you then as i have so many others.

do you boycott business owned by muslims knowing that muslims believe that not only ssm wrong, but homosexuality is wrong? Looking for a simple yes or no here.
 
the money that chick fil a makes is his money own personal money. he puts some of that money into another name that is a few pages back and under that name money is donated to various christian organizations.

No, it is company money. I own a LLC there is one employee, me. I have to write myself a check for pay. The company money is not my money until I pay myself.

Does he file all income that the company brings in as his own personal income? If not it is company money.
 
i dont know. i will flat out ask you then as i have so many others.

do you boycott business owned by muslims knowing that muslims believe that not only ssm wrong, but homosexuality is wrong? Looking for a simple yes or no here.

I don't think I have ever had the opportunity to boycott a Muslim business. I couldn't even name a Muslim business.

What you can't seem to wrap your mind around is that it isn't merely because Cathy thinks it is wrong. He advocates and actively works to codify his beliefs into the law of the land. So yes, If a Muslim business worked and advocated for Sharia law in America, I would boycott them. Luckily, that isn't all Muslims or Christians. Bless your heart.
 
muslims teach that it is wrong, advocate and vote against ssm and all homosexual activities. (generally speaking). same with jewish people. bahai do not believe it is right. many hindus do not. these religions all teach and advocate that homosexuality is wrong. Why not boycott muslim, hindi, and jewish establishments? Why not protest muslims and their beliefs?

And when they donate to anti-gay causes I will not do business with them. Why is this difficult?
 
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