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Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

Okay, let's calm down here. You are right. Religious dogma can most certainly be bigotry. Where I'm going with this is that people who choose to boycott ChickFilA because its CEO expressed a belief in family values and traditional marriage are intolerant of his right to have religious beliefs that are not intolerant in any way.

And yet again, I have to explain that he is speaking FOR the company, not as an individual.

Do I really think you're a bigot? No. But in this particular situation, I think you have a bigoted view of this guy's right to believe in the Bible. What's that about? How tolerant is that? You become what you accuse him of being? Yes? And if he did what you propose? If he said, "Our company doesn't sell to people who are in a SSM!!" Then he would be a bigot. But he doesn't say that. At all.

And yet again, if this person's belief was limited to just himself that would be different. However, he is speaking FOR the company that the COMPANY supports those values that marriage should be between a man and a woman and the company supports those that actively fight against SSM.

That is not just an individual stating they believe something, that is someone saying their COMPANY bleieves in those values as well.
 
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The CFA guy advocates for legalized discrimination against gays. That is bigotry.

Well, I can almost see that point of view, Winston. Maybe I have to think about that. Not about his words, because nothing wrong with those -- and nothing intolerant about them -- but about where he puts the company's money. Good point.

I wonder if we'd be as polarized on this issue if we found out a company donated money to, say, a ProLife group...?
 
Okay, let's calm down here. You are right. Religious dogma can most certainly be bigotry. Where I'm going with this is that people who choose to boycott ChickFilA because its CEO expressed a belief in family values and traditional marriage are intolerant of his right to have religious beliefs that are not intolerant in any way.

Do I really think you're a bigot? No. But in this particular situation, I think you have a bigoted view of this guy's right to believe in the Bible. What's that about? How tolerant is that? You become what you accuse him of being? Yes? And if he did what you propose? If he said, "Our company doesn't sell to people who are in a SSM!!" Then he would be a bigot. But he doesn't say that. At all.


It is Mr Cathy's interpretation of his specific holy text, I suppose also the interpretation of the particular sect he belongs to. Others who profess Christianity do not hold the same views as Mr Cathy and his church. As to his views, while he may not personally advocate harm being brought to gays he has financially supported organisations that do advocate the repression and denigration of LGBT citizens. Soft bigotry, "I'm a nice guy, I would never put a gay into forced sex-change camp" but saying nothing about those who take his views that one step further is just as harmful to the victim. It is the equivalent of standing by while a crime is committed and trying to justify inaction by saying "Hey, it wasn't my place to step in"
 
Okay, let's calm down here. You are right. Religious dogma can most certainly be bigotry. Where I'm going with this is that people who choose to boycott ChickFilA because its CEO expressed a belief in family values and traditional marriage are intolerant of his right to have religious beliefs that are not intolerant in any way.

Do I really think you're a bigot? No. But in this particular situation, I think you have a bigoted view of this guy's right to believe in the Bible. What's that about? How tolerant is that? You become what you accuse him of being? Yes? And if he did what you propose? If he said, "Our company doesn't sell to people who are in a SSM!!" Then he would be a bigot. But he doesn't say that. At all.

What if I said that your marriage was inviting God's Judgement on our nation?

What if I said that people whose first marriage failed aren't as righteous as I am?

What if I said that children of single parent households are "emotionally handicapped"?

What if I gave money to organizations that wanted to outlaw your marriage?

Would any of that make me intolerant?

The audio of his interview can be found here:
Chick-fil-A president: Gay marriage is 'inviting God's judgment on our nation' | The Daily Caller
 
Well, I can almost see that point of view, Winston. Maybe I have to think about that. Not about his words, because nothing wrong with those -- and nothing intolerant about them -- but about where he puts the company's money. Good point.

I wonder if we'd be as polarized on this issue if we found out a company donated money to, say, a ProLife group...?


You think that anti-abortion activists are not pushing boycotts of such companies? There is no we on this issue, there are multiple teams with many different views.
 
But in this particular situation, I think you have a bigoted view of this guy's right to believe in the Bible.

wasn't directed to me, but I have to ask:

What evidence do you have, if any, of any poster here arguing -- even tangentially -- that Mr. Cathy shouldn't have the right to believe whatever the hell he wants?!?

What's that about? How tolerant is that? You become what you accuse him of being? Yes? And if he did what you propose? If he said, "Our company doesn't sell to people who are in a SSM!!" Then he would be a bigot. But he doesn't say that. At all.

Mr. Cathy goes out of his way to vocally oppose equal treatment of gays and lesbians. In addition to just voicing his opinion (with the extra-loud megaphone furnished by his unearned income), he also funnels significant money to demonstrably harmful causes and organizations. Those are actions, not just opinions.

Objecting to his specific stance, and (more to the point) to his financial support for demonstrably harmful causes and organizations...is NOT a suggestion that he does not or should not have the right to maintain whatever beliefs (plausible or ridiculous, helpful or harmful) he prefers. He clearly has that right, just as others have the right to point out what a tool he is, and to choose not to support his commercial ventures out of a desire to not end up indirectly supporting his harmful actions.
 
What if I said that your marriage was inviting God's Judgement on our nation?

What if I said that people whose first marriage failed aren't as righteous as I am?

What if I said that children of single parent households are "emotionally handicapped"?

What if I gave money to organizations that wanted to outlaw your marriage?

Would any of that make me intolerant?

The audio of his interview can be found here:
Chick-fil-A president: Gay marriage is 'inviting God's judgment on our nation' | The Daily Caller

And the question still stands, why do you not boycott muslim business and protest in front of their mosques?
 
I see that muciti still refuses to acknowledge that a disagreement with one particular Christian is not an attack on all Christians. Given that he refused to answer my point about Hamas, I can tell he knows better, but refuses to admit it. It's intellectually dishonest.
 
And the question still stands, why do you not boycott muslim business and protest in front of their mosques?

Boycott Muslim businesses for what reason?


Why are you conflating one xian-owned business, Chick-fil-A, with ALL businesses owned by persons of the Muslim faith? Of course there will be some bigots in that faith but just as with Chick-fil-A supporting bigotry does not mean all xians think the same way, one should not assume all Muslims will act in a bigoted manner - not at the entire faith.
 
And the question still stands, why do you not boycott muslim business and protest in front of their mosques?

Not all Muslims are Hamas or the mullahs of Iran.

The right to swing your fist ends at my nose. The moment you work to restrict another person's liberty is when your opinion turns into oppression.

I haven't protested in front of anything. Why haven't you defended Hamas? ;)
 
I see that muciti still refuses to acknowledge that a disagreement with one particular Christian is not an attack on all Christians. Given that he refused to answer my point about Hamas, I can tell he knows better, but refuses to admit it. It's intellectually dishonest.

Most of Muciti's posts that I've had the misfortune of wasting time on display that property as well. Best to ignore them.
 
Boycott Muslim businesses for what reason?


Why are you conflating one xian-owned business, Chick-fil-A, with ALL businesses owned by persons of the Muslim faith? Of course there will be some bigots in that faith but just as with Chick-fil-A supporting bigotry does not mean all xians think the same way, one should not assume all Muslims will act in a bigoted manner - not at the entire faith.

The muslim faith teaches that homosexuality is wrong. As does the christian faith. As does jewish and Bahai and many others. Can you explain why people protest christain businesses and churches but they others are for some reason excempt and actually encouraged by most of those same people who support ssm. Why is christianity singled out?
 
I see that muciti still refuses to acknowledge that a disagreement with one particular Christian is not an attack on all Christians. Given that he refused to answer my point about Hamas, I can tell he knows better, but refuses to admit it. It's intellectually dishonest.

it is not one business. there have been multiple protests by ssm against business owned by christians and countless protests in front of christian churches. dont pretend this is an isolated incident.
 
it is not one business. there have been multiple protests by ssm against business owned by christians and countless protests in front of christian churches. dont pretend this is an isolated incident.

I'm sorry, no matter how much you try to make it true, a boycott of Chick Fil-A is not a boycott on all Christian businesses or Christianity as a whole. Multiple people have explained to you why it isn't and you refuse to listen. Bless your heart.
 
You know, I'm not sure we're arguing anything of substance here. ChickFilA's CEO has the absolute right to express his opinion. He has the absolute right, as the CEO and major shareholder of ChickFilA, to donate to whatever legitimate charities he sees fit. And consumers have the absolute right to reject him and his company by boycotting his stores.

Anyone on either side of the argument have a problem with that?
 
I'm sorry, no matter how much you try to make it true, a boycott of Chick Fil-A is not a boycott on all Christian businesses or Christianity as a whole. Multiple people have explained to you why it isn't and you refuse to listen. Bless your heart.

then why are there other boycotts and protests of christian businesses, orgainizations, np orgs, centers, churches and events?
 
You know, I'm not sure we're arguing anything of substance here. ChickFilA's CEO has the absolute right to express his opinion. He has the absolute right, as the CEO and major shareholder of ChickFilA, to donate to whatever legitimate charities he sees fit. And consumers have the absolute right to reject him and his company by boycotting his stores.

Anyone on either side of the argument have a problem with that?

I think we all agree that everyone is within their rights. People seem to have a problem with me telling them it is not right to boycott a business because of the owners religious beliefs, which is what i am arguing.
 
I think we all agree that everyone is within their rights. People seem to have a problem with me telling them it is not right to boycott a business because of the owners religious beliefs, which is what i am arguing.

I actually agree. Businesses should be boycotted because of the ACTIONS TAKEN based upon those beliefs (like funding harmful organizations and actions).

If an owner subscribes to outrageous beliefs, yet manages somehow to not act upon them, then we'd likely never find out about those quiet beliefs, leaving me no basis for objection.
 
I think we all agree that everyone is within their rights. People seem to have a problem with me telling them it is not right to boycott a business because of the owners religious beliefs, which is what i am arguing.

It is not because of his personal religious beliefs. It is not because of his personal donations to groups. It is because of donations in the COMPANY name to organizations that actively lobby to deny equal rights for a segment of society.
 
Hating LGBT people, and sending money to hate groups are not Christian values. Plain and simple.

Maybe the president of Chic-fil-a doesn't think they are hate groups. What constitutes a hate group these days, anyone who doesn't agree with you? It's real simple, don't be a patron.
 
It is not because of his personal religious beliefs. It is not because of his personal donations to groups. It is because of donations in the COMPANY name to organizations that actively lobby to deny equal rights for a segment of society.

that has already been discredited. sorry.
 
And the question still stands, why do you not boycott muslim business and protest in front of their mosques?

Is there a specific muslim that runs a business that has stated comments similar to this?
 
then why are there other boycotts and protests of christian businesses, orgainizations, np orgs, centers, churches and events?

People have the right to protest and boycott. I'm sure each case has different specifics.

You realize that Christians protest and boycott places too, right? Planned Parenthood, adult book stores, gentlemen's clubs, and since you are so fond of the one Christian equals all Christians philosphy, soldiers' funerals.
 
I think we all agree that everyone is within their rights. People seem to have a problem with me telling them it is not right to boycott a business because of the owners religious beliefs, which is what i am arguing.

No, you are arguing that oppressing other people falls under religious beliefs.
 
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