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Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

Yanno I bet he would if he could. And he is trying to affect the law by supporting anti gay marriage groups. I say put a KFC in there instead.

Everyone who votes is trying to affect the law. As for what we bet he would do, if he could, it doesn't matter. What matters is what is legislated. I don't condone closing the religious institutions, based on their beliefs, unless they are infringing on the rights of individuals. I take the same approach to business owners as well.
 
Everyone who votes is trying to affect the law. As for what we bet he would do, if he could, it doesn't matter. What matters is what is legislated. I don't condone closing the religious institutions, based on their beliefs, unless they are infringing on the rights of individuals. I take the same approach to business owners as well.

The CFA guy does believe in restricting people based on their beliefs.
 
My problem is attempting to shut down or ban a business, as these 4-5 mayors want to do, when Chick did not discriminate against anyone. We, as a country, are bleeding jobs. The economy is tanking. And the future isn't looking any better and we're playing political dice with jobs.

If you don't like where this one particular citizen gave their money, then don't buy from them. It's your right to do so.

What 4 or 5 mayors? It's one alderman in one city. A couple mayors made comments that they quickly backed away from and this isn't new from politicians on either side of the political divide. Remember the New York Mosque story? How many politicians were ready to go to war to keep it from being built? This isn't any different.
 
How so?.......

By telling everyone who supports same sex marriage that they are "shaking their fist at God and telling him that they know about marriage than him" and they "are inviting God's judgement on the country."
 
None.

It has come to the point in this country that "free speech" is no longer acceptable to the "lefties" unless it's their "free speech".

This business owner has the right to give his money to whomever he chooses.

...and he remains free to do so. Freedom of speech (which thanks to the absurd legal holdings, currently includes expenditure of money) does NOT mean immunity to consequences of that speech, i.e.:

X person is still allowed to take idiotic bigoted stances, and to provide funding for harmful and antisocial causes...

AND

Potential and former customers and business partners are free to use his objectionable speech -- and his objectionable spending on harmful causes -- as a reason for not patronizing his business locations or partnering with business ventures owned or operated by him.

The business owner is not legally obligated to be reasonable, and customers are not obligated to support him.

Also, I must remind folks that incorporation of a business is a privilege, not a right. Corporations -- through the charter process -- are *supposed* to be held to a standard of demonstrating and sustaining benefit to the communities in which they operate. In the absence or effective elimination of the charter revocation process, specific cities or communities reasserting their right to deny privileges to harmful organization seems a perfectly reasonable substitute. Corporations are legal fictions, not ACTUAL people (regardless of what certain atrocious legal doctrines may hold).
 
business owners lare not allowed to have their own opinions outside of their business unless it is line with what the overly pc crowd tells them is ok.

This bullcrap you spout is utterly moronic. You know just as well as anyone that conservative organizations like NOM and One Million Moms are boycotting and creating media firestorms over pro gay businesses. I'm getting tired of hearing you parrot this Fox News bullcrap because it adds nothing to the discussion but your own partisan whining that has absolutely no basis in reality aside form letting you strut your bias like it's a trophy.

Jesus Christ dude, get over yourself. The only victims here are the people with reason who have to listen to this irrational filth.
 
...and he remains free to do so. Freedom of speech (which thanks to the absurd legal holdings, currently includes expenditure of money) does NOT mean immunity to consequences of that speech, i.e.:

X person is still allowed to take idiotic bigoted stances, and to provide funding for harmful and antisocial causes...

AND

Potential and former customers and business partners are free to use his objectionable speech -- and his objectionable spending on harmful causes -- as a reason for not patronizing his business locations or partnering with business ventures owned or operated by him.

The business owner is not legally obligated to be reasonable, and customers are not obligated to support him.

Also, I must remind folks that incorporation of a business is a privilege, not a right. Corporations -- through the charter process -- are *supposed* to be held to a standard of demonstrating and sustaining benefit to the communities in which they operate. In the absence or effective elimination of the charter revocation process, specific cities or communities reasserting their right to deny privileges to harmful seems a perfectly reasonable substitute. Corporations are legal fictions, not ACTUAL people (regardless of what certain atrocious legal doctrines may hold).

yes and millions of others are allowed to increase our business to his restaurants. He is legally allowed to donate money to who he wants. Anti SSM groups are legally allowed to fight against ssm. Noone is legally required to try to come together on any of these issues. We are legally allowed to be hard headed and stubborn. I mean so far it has worked so well. So since we are all legally allowed to do these things then the right thing to do is to keep trying to divide people on this and remain at a constant stalemate so that nothing ever gets achieved for no reason other than we have the right to..
 
This bullcrap you spout is utterly moronic. You know just as well as anyone that conservative organizations like NOM and One Million Moms are boycotting and creating media firestorms over pro gay businesses. I'm getting tired of hearing you parrot this Fox News bullcrap because it adds nothing to the discussion but your own partisan whining that has absolutely no basis in reality aside form letting you strut your bias like it's a trophy.

Jesus Christ dude, get over yourself. The only victims here are the people with reason who have to listen to this irrational filth.

here we go. lets all blame fox news. first off I dont think you have ever seen what news sources I use or what i watch on tv so dont sit there and act like you do. Just becuase someone disagrees with your hate filled rhetoric against religion clearly they are a right wing nut who is brainwashed by fox news. omg. i better seek help. you have completely summed me up. you want to talk about utterly moronic read your own damn post. I dont even know who hell NOM or one million moms are so i have no idea how they are creating a media firestorm. When you are sitting here crying and whining that anyone who disagrees with you is brainwashed and aright wing partisan **** all you do is show your own ignorance.
 
here we go. lets all blame fox news. first off I dont think you have ever seen what news sources I use or what i watch on tv so dont sit there and act like you do. Just becuase someone disagrees with your hate filled rhetoric against religion clearly they are a right wing nut who is brainwashed by fox news. omg. i better seek help. you have completely summed me up. you want to talk about utterly moronic read your own damn post. I dont even know who hell NOM or one million moms are so i have no idea how they are creating a media firestorm. When you are sitting here crying and whining that anyone who disagrees with you is brainwashed and aright wing partisan **** all you do is show your own ignorance.

What a partisan hack you are. One anti gay company gets a little media about its position and you are more than happy to run around screaming, "See how intolerant people are of the poor, poor company that shares its non politically correct values."

Here is a news flash for you. Conservative organizations like the National Organization for Marriage and One Million Moms have been doing this for years and years against pro gay companies. There has been extensive media coverage of when they have done so as well. And yet you weren't there shouting, "See how intolerant people are of these poor, poor companies."

No, you have a closed mind and selective attention. You hear only what you want to hear and remember only what you want to remember, for to do any different would jeopardize your partisan world view. Good luck with that nonsense.
 
What a partisan hack you are. One anti gay company gets a little media about its position and you are more than happy to run around screaming, "See how intolerant people are of the poor, poor company that shares its non politically correct values."

Here is a news flash for you. Conservative organizations like the National Organization for Marriage and One Million Moms have been doing this for years and years against pro gay companies. There has been extensive media coverage of when they have done so as well. And yet you weren't there shouting, "See how intolerant people are of these poor, poor companies."

No, you have a closed mind and selective attention. You hear only what you want to hear and remember only what you want to remember, for to do any different wo gruld jeopardize your partisan world view. Good luck with that nonsense.

oh yes i should be upset about groups i have never heard of. that makes a lot of sense.

Either way I am off to church, with my wife to whom I am legally married.
 
oh yes i should be upset about groups i have never heard of. that makes a lot of sense.

Maybe you should do a little research before you whine like a little bitch about something you are not informed about just to get your partisan rocks off.

Either way I am off to church, with my wife to whom I am legally married.

My condolences to your wife.
 
Maybe you should do a little research before you whine like a little bitch about something you are not informed about just to get your partisan rocks off.



My condolences to your wife.

i dont need to do research because i dont need to point to others groups problems to justify my own ignorance and hate unlike you. You can point to all the right wing idiots you want and it wont phase me any. No matter what they do it does not justify the bigotry shown by the ssm advocates. Fact is the ssm group cannot get what they want without the right, the religious and others they fight so hard to discriminate against. Continue to hate and discriminate. Its not going to have any effect on me or my family. The only thing you people are doing making things harder for youselves. When you can learn tolerance maybe more people would be inclined to show you some.

Also your argument has to be pathetic and have no real merit when you have to resort to name calling. You want to call me a bitch come show me i am one.

My wife doesnt need nor want your condolences. She is far less tolerant of people like you than i am.
 
The business owner is not legally obligated to be reasonable, and customers are not obligated to support him.

I've stated this same point before.

Don't like where this business owner gives his money, then don't buy from him.

But don't tell him where he can or can't donate. You wouldn't like it if the same was done to you.
 
here we go. ... Just becuase someone disagrees with your hate filled rhetoric against religion clearly they are a right wing nut who is brainwashed by fox news. omg. i better seek help. you have completely summed me up. ...


I don't read any "hate filled rhetoric against religion". I do see an attempted defence of bigotry by citing religion as justification. Stating that some use their particular version of just one of the literally hundreds of different religions found around the world, as justification for bigotry and prejudice is not attacking their religion. In this country one can believe or not believe in one deity or thousands of gods or none at all but you can not use your specific faith as a defence for discrimination in business or any public place. In your own home, in your place of worship, out of the public eye - FINE, be as racist and prejudiced as you want but not in public places unless you are willing to suffer the consequences, be they legal or financial.
 
I've stated this same point before.

Don't like where this business owner gives his money, then don't buy from him.

But don't tell him where he can or can't donate. You wouldn't like it if the same was done to you.

In fact, no one is telling him where he can or can't donate.
 
Either way I am off to church, with my wife to whom I am legally married.


I imagine they don't ever get around to the Sermon On the Mount there, do they?
 
In fact, no one is telling him where he can or can't donate.


Oh, but out of the shoot Chicago and Boston mayors came out guns a blazing with "I don't want that business in my city". Of course they backtracked, because they weren't elected dictators, just majors. So yes, there were some that wanted to define where he gave his money. And they weren't afraid to use political power to do it, until they found out they couldn't.
 
i dont need to do research because i dont need to point to others groups problems to justify my own ignorance and hate unlike you. You can point to all the right wing idiots you want and it wont phase me any. No matter what they do it does not justify the bigotry shown by the ssm advocates. Fact is the ssm group cannot get what they want without the right, the religious and others they fight so hard to discriminate against. Continue to hate and discriminate. Its not going to have any effect on me or my family. The only thing you people are doing making things harder for youselves. When you can learn tolerance maybe more people would be inclined to show you some.

I want to address at least one part of your post. Those of us ssm advocates who are fighting for the rights are not fighting "the right, the religious, <or> others", nor are most of us "discriminating against" them. We are fighting against anti-ssm and anti-gay rights people within those groups and others. There is no "discrimination" when you are telling people who are actually doing something you don't agree with that you will not do business with them or you don't like them (those who are fighting against same sex marriage or gay rights) because of that action, not because they are part of another, unrelated group.

If you have a group that is called "Anti-gay marriage" or "People who believe the only definition of marriage is a man and a woman", then those groups are going to be made up completely of people who pro-ssm people do not agree with their cause. It works the same way if the group's mission is basically the same thing even if the name of the group is something like "NOM" or "Focus on the Family". Now, Mr. Cathy is not being boycotted for being a Christian or being on the "right" or a conservative. He is being boycotted by many for his statement that he does not want marriage to be between two people of the same sex and for his actions of donating money to several organizations such as NOM or FotF.

What happens when same sex marriage is legal (because it will happen in the next decade if not sooner)? Will Mr. Cathy give all of his married employees equal access to dependent medical, dental, and life insurance, even if they are in a same sex marriage? Does he give those things now to such employees within those states where same sex marriage is legal? Or does he simply not hire employees who are married or might get married to someone of the same sex? Because of his stated position on same sex marriage, it is hard for someone to actually believe that he could honestly uphold that position and still do things within the law when same sex marriage is legal everywhere and fairly offer those benefits to same sex couples. It is possible, and he may well do it, but it is still iffy given his current stance and that "iffyness" is what many worry about.
 
i dont need to do research because i dont need to point to others groups problems to justify my own ignorance and hate unlike you. You can point to all the right wing idiots you want and it wont phase me any. No matter what they do it does not justify the bigotry shown by the ssm advocates. Fact is the ssm group cannot get what they want without the right, the religious and others they fight so hard to discriminate against. Continue to hate and discriminate. Its not going to have any effect on me or my family. The only thing you people are doing making things harder for youselves. When you can learn tolerance maybe more people would be inclined to show you some.

You don't seem to get it. I don't have a problem with the people fighting against SSM. I have a problem with you. I don't like people who are mindlessly partisan. I don't like people who make this issue about "tolerance" whether they are liberal or conservative. That kind of rhetoric is nonsense and adds nothing to the discussion. Both sides are not tolerant of each other, and that is perfectly okay since you can't be tolerant of an opinion with which you do not agree. What I don't like is pretending that any side is less tolerant of the other side. That is ridiculous and baseless and the kind of thing an uninformed partisan hack would argue.

There is a simple rule with tolerance, that even every Rogerian-style Christian seems to understand. You tolerate the person, even if you disagree with and cannot tolerate the behavior. You don't seem to get that simple philosophy. You have no tolerance for SSM advocates and yet you have no issue with the behavior of intolerance unless its done by SSM advocates and then you can't stand it. That is why I can't stand your posts. The bias in your posts betrays a bias against people, not behavior, and makes you a standing hypocrite willing to ignore intolerance from people you agree with and to scathe at intolerance from people you have a personal agenda against. All your latest posts have done is confirm this for me and anyone else who has read them.
 
I just don't get this mentality.

The National Organization for Marriage has declared boycotts on at least half a dozen companies for supporting same sex marriage and spends millions on deceitful advertising to push their agenda.

One Million Moms has declared boycotts on JC Penny simply for having a gay spokesmen.

In Virginia the state Republicans would not confirm a man to be judge for no other reason than he was gay.

When Romney chose a gay man to be a spokesman for him, Romney got so much flack from his conservative base for the decision that the spokesman had to quit.

Where do you get the audacity to pretend that liberals are any more or less conceited than you?

two wrongs do not make a right.
 
Originally Posted by muciti
i dont need to do research because i dont need to point to others groups problems to justify my own ignorance and hate unlike you. You can point to all the right wing idiots you want and it wont phase me any. No matter what they do it does not justify the bigotry shown by the ssm advocates. Fact is the ssm group cannot get what they want without the right, the religious and others they fight so hard to discriminate against. Continue to hate and discriminate. Its not going to have any effect on me or my family. The only thing you people are doing making things harder for youselves. When you can learn tolerance maybe more people would be inclined to show you some.

LMAO so IOW to be tolerant one must tolerate the intolerant. Nope I got my limits and the CFA guy is an asswipe.
 
You don't seem to get it. I don't have a problem with the people fighting against SSM. I have a problem with you. I don't like people who are mindlessly partisan.

ok. how exactly am I mindlessly partisan? Please explain that to me.

Both sides are not tolerant of each other, and that is perfectly okay since you can't be tolerant of an opinion with which you do not agree. What I don't like is pretending that any side is less tolerant of the other side.

after you are done explaining to me how i am a mindless hack, how about you show me where i have ever said that either side was less tolerant than the other.

no issue with the behavior of intolerance unless its done by SSM advocates and then you can't stand it.

While you are at it show me where I have said I have no issue with the behavior of intolerance by others.

If you want to throw these types of statements out there against me how about you take some time to support them. Otherwise these are just mindless attacks
 
Now you are getting it.

I have always "gotten it" What you don't get is that people have a right to their opinions and beliefs, and they should not be destroyed for expressing them no matter how offensive. Its called FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
 
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