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Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

Tigger said:
Given an option between Chick-Fil-A and the Muppets, I'll take the chicken guys.
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chick-fil-a doesn't serve chicken; it serves GOPerfeed. Most conservatives can't afford real chicken, even with the unemployment checks Obama gave them.
 
muciti said:
Disagreeing, no. But refusing to dine somewhere because of their religion is discrimination.

For instance. If I were to refuse to go to a restaurant because the owners were Muslim I would be discriminating against that restaurant. If I were to refuse to eat a restaurant run by a gay man because he was gay I would be discriminating. If I were to refuse to eat at a restaurant because it was run by a black woman I would be discriminating. This idea that just because its discrimination against a Christian is ok just because he is Christian is disgusting and bigoted. Has nothing to do with the tolerance these hypocrites pretend they want.
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it is his support of bigotry, NOT his practice of Christianity, that is causing the boycott
 
justabubba said:
it is his support of bigotry, NOT his practice of Christianity, that is causing the boycott
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His beliefs on marriage are founded in his religion. You dont get to pick and choose what aspects of a religion a person believes. They get to make that choice themselves.
 
muciti said:
Refusing to use the goods or service of a person or company because you do not like their religious values is discrimination.
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No it isnt. Not in the way you are portraying it anyways. You said the gay community wants to force people to discriminate against religion and suppress the right to free speech. No one is doing that and I dont understand how you came up with that.
 
muciti said:
His beliefs on marriage are founded in his religion. You dont get to pick and choose what aspects of a religion a person believes. They get to make that choice themselves.
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but you keep trying to conflate his practice of Christianity with his support of bigotry
they are not the same
for example, there are many, MANY Christians who support same sex marriage
 
Wake said:
Not necessarily.

Since we have freedom, people can use their freedom to not buy goods from a certain place if they don't wish to. This goes for Nabisco, Chick-fil-A, etc.

Business owners have the freedom to hold their views without being punished, and people have the right to not shop at/boycott companies if they wish.
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Exactly. Boycotting may be stupid in my opinion but it certainly isnt discriminating against anyone in the legal sense.
 
solletica said:
chick-fil-a doesn't serve chicken; it serves GOPerfeed. Most conservatives can't afford real chicken, even with the unemployment checks Obama gave them.
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You should go shopping with your mom more often. If you've learned how to cook, chicken is dirt cheap when you buy them whole.

Besides, conservatives eat steak. :mrgreen:
 
muciti said:
Just because they have the right to do it doesnt mean it isnt discrimination. They are refusing to eat his food because they dont like his religion. They are free to shop where they want, but it is still discrimination.
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No its because they dont like his views on SSM and homosexuality. Big difference.
 
Wake said:
Not necessarily.

Since we have freedom, people can use their freedom to not buy goods from a certain place if they don't wish to. This goes for Nabisco, Chick-fil-A, etc.

Business owners have the freedom to hold their views without being punished, and people have the right to not shop at/boycott companies if they wish.
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Would it be discrimination to refuse to shop at a store because the owner was black? Do you have a right to do so if you chose so?

justabubba said:
it is his support of bigotry, NOT his practice of Christianity, that is causing the boycott
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What bigotry did he support?
 
muciti said:
Disagreeing, no. But refusing to dine somewhere because of their religion is discrimination.

For instance. If I were to refuse to go to a restaurant because the owners were Muslim I would be discriminating against that restaurant. If I were to refuse to eat a restaurant run by a gay man because he was gay I would be discriminating. If I were to refuse to eat at a restaurant because it was run by a black woman I would be discriminating. This idea that just because its discrimination against a Christian is ok just because he is Christian is disgusting and bigoted. Has nothing to do with the tolerance these hypocrites pretend they want.
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After seeing Furiounovas post I should have specified that I meant legal discrimination for that post.

However no one is boycotting him for being Christian. They are boycotting him for his views on SSM and homosexuality.

Edit: I also just realized that you never responded about my point on the WBC? Are you going to condone groups that attack the WBC for their religious beliefs?
 
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justabubba said:
but you keep trying to conflate his practice of Christianity with his support of bigotry
they are not the same
for example, there are many, MANY Christians who support same sex marriage
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There are many many who dont too. Each person has the right to their own beliefs. I am a catholic and I have always supported gay marriage and most of the others in my congregation do not. I may actually be the only one in my congregation who makes a yearly donation to GLAAD or to cospride. My belief has absolutely nothing to do with them. Just because I am catholic and dont believe it doesnt mean that it isnt a catholic belief.

This mans belief that marriage should be between a man and a woman is his belief and it is based on his religion. To refuse to use his services because of his belief is bigoted no matter how you attempt to justify it.
 
muciti said:
I am not talking about legally. Legally I can do a lot of things doesnt mean they are right.
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You discriminate several times everyday. Why is it suddenly an issue?

(hint: in every choice free in nature we exercise discrimination. It is one of the processes for decisions.)
 
muciti said:
There are many many who dont too. Each person has the right to their own beliefs. I am a catholic and I have always supported gay marriage and most of the others in my congregation do not. I may actually be the only one in my congregation who makes a yearly donation to GLAAD or to cospride. My belief has absolutely nothing to do with them. Just because I am catholic and dont believe it doesnt mean that it isnt a catholic belief.

This mans belief that marriage should be between a man and a woman is his belief and it is based on his religion. To refuse to use his services because of his belief is bigoted no matter how you attempt to justify it.
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If you patronize his business you are supplying the money he uses to fund the groups who fight against SSM. So basically, your donations to GLAAD are cancelled by the money given to chik.
 
muciti said:
There is a difference between something being illegal and something being wrong.
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Explain what is wrong with not funding a business that funds discrimination against gays.
 
muciti said:
Whole foods and the Sunflower Market.
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Wow. So why did you discriminate against all the other stores? Why are you practicing discrimination?
 
Furiounova said:
If you patronize his business you are supplying the money he uses to fund the groups who fight against SSM. So basically, your donations to GLAAD are cancelled by the money given to chik.
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No they arent. Although if I see GLADD or cospride in any way endorsing this type of hate against christians I will be finding new organizations to support in February (when we make our donations)
 
Furiounova said:
Wow. So why did you discriminate against all the other stores? Why are you practicing discrimination?
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Explain how i am discriminating and on what grounds i am discriminating. I can assure you my choice in grocery stores has nothing to do with the owners or employees race, religion, sexual orientation, age, sex or creed.
 
Furiounova said:
Explain what is wrong with not funding a business that funds discrimination against gays.
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)People are basing their decision whether or not to eat as his diner on this mans religious beliefs and nothing more. I am ok with people not eating there. I could care less. Its the reason they are eating there that I find disgusting.
 
muciti said:
It is wrong to discriminate against a person for their religious beliefs.
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There needs to be a distinction between mere beliefs and actions based on those beliefs. Let's say someone says they don't believe African Americans are on the same level with Caucasians but they take no discriminatory action against that group in any way. I would use that business because there is no actual discrimination against African Americans. Now let's say that same business gives sub level service based on that belief.

My refusing to fund their bigotry is not discrimination. It is refusing to fund discrimination.
 
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