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Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

dont really see the problem! The chicken guy can bash gays and other people can choose to boycott them, seems fair enought to me!
 
muciti said:
You are welcome



Tolerance is accepting others people beliefs.
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Tolerance does not mean accepting others working to oppress people.
 
VanceMack said:
Holy ****...

And yet you DO...when they are someone you vote for.
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He hasn't dehumanized the gay community. Quick thinking so simplisticly.
 
Thorgasm said:
While I am sure it is hypocritical of me to support one situation and not another
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Thanks. That tells me what I need to know. When it comes to using the government to discriminate against an entity undertaking perfectly legal action due to their religious beliefs or affiliations, your decide to damn one side's action and absolve another baesd on your personal opinion of said view.
 
Zyphlin said:
Thanks. That tells me what I need to know. When it comes to using the government to discriminate against an entity undertaking perfectly legal action due to their religious beliefs or affiliations, your decide to damn one side's action and absolve another baesd on your personal opinion of said view.
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When one side's beliefs dehumanize and oppress another side I believe the government should take that into account. I won't throw out common sense just for the appearance of consistency on how boards grant licenses. I believe that being against bigotry is more noble than being politically and ideologically consistent.
 
winston53660 said:
I'm not going to do that. So what is your beef here? You don't think Mayors have the right to freedom of speech? or what?
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My beef is the intolerance of so many who like to pretend they want equality or to end discrimination yet they continually discriminate against those who disagree with them.

Chick Fil A is just one example of many. People walk around expecting that everyone be tolerant of their beliefs, and everyone be tolerant of their lifestyles, and then turn around and discriminate and mock others for their beliefs and lifestyles.

These same people that are ok with mayors not letting chick fil a's be built, and henson refusing to do busines with a group based on their religious beliefs would be up in arms if a business run by a gay man were discriminated against for his. It is hypocritical to demand tolerance while not being so yourself.

There is a wedge driven between groups in this country. For the sake of this discussion we will use gays and religious extremists. Gay marriage supporters absolutely hate when a religious nut pushes their beliefs down their throats. Yet they go around expecting shoving their beliefs down the throats of the religious extremists. The gay rights demand an end to discrimination while at the same time disriminating against the religious. It is disgusting and both sides, or the majority of people on both sides are doing nothing but furthering the gap in these groups and pushing us toward segragation.
 
muciti said:
My beef is the intolerance of so many who like to pretend they want equality or to end discrimination yet they continually discriminate against those who disagree with them.

Chick Fil A is just one example of many. People walk around expecting that everyone be tolerant of their beliefs, and everyone be tolerant of their lifestyles, and then turn around and discriminate and mock others for their beliefs and lifestyles.

These same people that are ok with mayors not letting chick fil a's be built, and henson refusing to do busines with a group based on their religious beliefs would be up in arms if a business run by a gay man were discriminated against for his. It is hypocritical to demand tolerance while not being so yourself.

There is a wedge driven between groups in this country. For the sake of this discussion we will use gays and religious extremists. Gay marriage supporters absolutely hate when a religious nut pushes their beliefs down their throats. Yet they go around expecting shoving their beliefs down the throats of the religious extremists. The gay rights demand an end to discrimination while at the same time disriminating against the religious. It is disgusting and both sides, or the majority of people on both sides are doing nothing but furthering the gap in these groups and pushing us toward segragation.
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More false equivalency. Gays are not saying that God is going to cast "Judgement" (bad things of a biblical nature will happen) if they aren't allowed to marry. They are not giving money to groups to outlaw heterosexuality or hetero marriage. They don't send kids to "Pray the straight away" camps. They aren't giving money to groups to outlaw religion. They just want to marry the people they love. This is at no expense to any religious people or people in straight marriage. Quit pretending they are equal. It makes you appear to have an infinitesimal intellect.
 
muciti said:
My beef is the intolerance of so many who like to pretend they want equality or to end discrimination yet they continually discriminate against those who disagree with them.

Chick Fil A is just one example of many. People walk around expecting that everyone be tolerant of their beliefs, and everyone be tolerant of their lifestyles, and then turn around and discriminate and mock others for their beliefs and lifestyles.

These same people that are ok with mayors not letting chick fil a's be built, and henson refusing to do busines with a group based on their religious beliefs would be up in arms if a business run by a gay man were discriminated against for his. It is hypocritical to demand tolerance while not being so yourself.

There is a wedge driven between groups in this country. For the sake of this discussion we will use gays and religious extremists. Gay marriage supporters absolutely hate when a religious nut pushes their beliefs down their throats. Yet they go around expecting shoving their beliefs down the throats of the religious extremists. The gay rights demand an end to discrimination while at the same time disriminating against the religious. It is disgusting and both sides, or the majority of people on both sides are doing nothing but furthering the gap in these groups and pushing us toward segragation.
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One more time I do not see gays trying to ban heterosexual marriage I do see some trying to ban gay marriage though going so far as to amend the US Constitution.
 
ChuckBerry said:
Muppets dump Chick-Fil-A to support gay marriage - Chicago Tribune

"The Jim Henson Company has celebrated and embraced diversity and inclusiveness for over fifty years and we have notified Chick-Fil-A that we do not wish to partner with them on any future endeavors," the company said in a statement posted on their official Facebook page.

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The Henson company, whose Muppet characters are hugely popular, said its Chief Executive Lisa Henson is a "strong supporter of gay marriage and has directed us to donate the payment we received from Chick-Fil-A to GLAAD," the company said in their statement.

Chick-Fil-A has not hidden its Christian mission statement from day one, which precedes the founding of Henson's company. If Henson actually gave a damn about the issue, rather than responding to pressure and then grandstanding, they might have never chosen to associate with Chick-Fil-A at all.

It's a pity that simple symbols and characters from childhood now have to be politicized.
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And the pile-on of fanatics continues....
 
Muppets are so gay anyway. Who needs em. I don't even let my kids watch Sesame Street anymore since the show has gone all stupid uber liberal enough to make you vomit. I don't need my kids being indoctrinated by stupid people and their ridiculous views on the world. It's bad enough that they're going to be subjected to it in school..


Tim-
 
muciti said:
My beef is the intolerance of so many who like to pretend they want equality or to end discrimination yet they continually discriminate against those who disagree with them.

Chick Fil A is just one example of many. People walk around expecting that everyone be tolerant of their beliefs, and everyone be tolerant of their lifestyles, and then turn around and discriminate and mock others for their beliefs and lifestyles.

These same people that are ok with mayors not letting chick fil a's be built, and henson refusing to do busines with a group based on their religious beliefs would be up in arms if a business run by a gay man were discriminated against for his. It is hypocritical to demand tolerance while not being so yourself.

There is a wedge driven between groups in this country. For the sake of this discussion we will use gays and religious extremists. Gay marriage supporters absolutely hate when a religious nut pushes their beliefs down their throats. Yet they go around expecting shoving their beliefs down the throats of the religious extremists. The gay rights demand an end to discrimination while at the same time disriminating against the religious. It is disgusting and both sides, or the majority of people on both sides are doing nothing but furthering the gap in these groups and pushing us toward segragation.
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I've never met a truly tolerant person in my entire life. That, to me, would make the word a wholly rhetorical one.


Tim-
 
Thorgasm said:
When one side's beliefs dehumanize and oppress another side I believe the government should take that into account. I won't throw out common sense just for the appearance of consistency on how boards grant licenses. I believe that being against bigotry is more noble than being politically and ideologically consistent.
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And you can go right on doing that. And I'll continue to think your argument is rather hollow when you're complaining about people being inconsistent because in their opinion their inconsistency is justified.

Tell me. Does your stance against bigotry extend to the government being allowed to circumvent the law to defacto violate the 1st amendment when bigots like Westboro speak, or is it only the 14th amendment that you have no problem with the government circumventing? Or do you pick and choose when bigotry warrants an end around for the government?

Now, there's no problem with being inconsistent strictly based on ones opinion of whether something is right or wrong....which is really what you're doing comes down to. A lot of people, actually I dare say most people probably myself included at some points, probably try to clarify why things are "DIFFERENT" in situations where we're being inconsistent. However, the issue here is that you're trying to belittle someone's argument for "damning" one thing and giving another a pass on a topic that you yourself are doing that same very thing.

It's one thing to be inconsistent on an issue occasoinally but point out someones inconsistency on a totally unrelated issue. You're inconsistent due to your opinion on a related issue and yet you're wanting to try to counter someone's point by suggesting they're inconsistent in action.
 
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muciti said:
Is the only way to discriminate against a person to stop them from marrying?
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Originally Posted by winston53660
One more time I do not see gays trying to ban heterosexual marriage I do see some trying to ban gay marriage though going so far as to amend the US Constitution.
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Hicup said:
Muppets are so gay anyway. Who needs em. I don't even let my kids watch Sesame Street anymore since the show has gone all stupid uber liberal enough to make you vomit. I don't need my kids being indoctrinated by stupid people and their ridiculous views on the world. It's bad enough that they're going to be subjected to it in school..


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I hear ya, brother! The other day they were filling kid's head with socialist ideas like sharing!
 
If Chik-Fil-A refuses to serve gays, that's a problem for me. Standing up for marriage as one man/one woman is not.
 
Thorgasm said:
I hear ya, brother! The other day they were filling kid's head with socialist ideas like sharing!
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See^^^ Stupid gay Muppets. :)

That's how it always starts, that whole liberal thingy..


Tim-
 
VanceMack said:
There ya go...hell...you didnt even wait for Redress...NICE! YOU dragged them into the argument, didnt you? :lamo
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YOU equated them together as if they were the same. They are not.
 
nota bene said:
If Chik-Fil-A refuses to serve gays, that's a problem for me. Standing up for marriage as one man/one woman is not.
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then it appears you will choose not to join the boycott
 
nota bene said:
If Chik-Fil-A refuses to serve gays, that's a problem for me. Standing up for marriage as one man/one woman is not.
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The reality here is that chick fil a has done nothing as a business to discriminate against gays. They even employ homosexuals and treat them exactly the same. But that doesnt matter to some. People hate Chick Fil A because the ownership has religious beliefs and some people don't think it is proper for a person to have beliefs that are different from their own.
 
winston53660 said:
No, this was his position:

I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. I am not in favor of gay marriage. But when you start playing around with constitutions, just to prohibit somebody who cares about another person, it just seems to me that's not what America's about. Usually, our constitutions expand liberties, they don't contract them.
Barack Obama

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You know, I've heard that one before ("Usually, our constitutions expand liberties, they don't contract them"). It seems to fall flat considering the changes and interpretations made to the federal Constitution since the beginning. Most I think have been restrictions on ennumerated rights, especially SCOTUS interpretations. Is there a right listed in the Bill of Rights that hasn't been further restricted over the course of time?
 
clownboy said:
You know, I've heard that one before ("Usually, our constitutions expand liberties, they don't contract them"). It seems to fall flat considering the changes and interpretations made to the federal Constitution since the beginning. Most I think have been restrictions on ennumerated rights, especially SCOTUS interpretations. Is there a right listed in the Bill of Rights that hasn't been further restricted over the course of time?
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Why don't you give an example of what you are tlking about?
 
muciti said:
The reality here is that chick fil a has done nothing as a business to discriminate against gays. They even employ homosexuals and treat them exactly the same. But that doesnt matter to some. People hate Chick Fil A because the ownership has religious beliefs and some people don't think it is proper for a person to have beliefs that are different from their own.
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what the owner has done, in following his personal beliefs, is fund organizations that work to oppose the equal rights of those of the same sex who want to get married
some of those who are not aligned with those views have agreed to boycott his business to mitigate the funds available for him to spend in that odious exercise
kudos to ms Henson
 
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