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Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

who does chick fil a donate money too that is wrong?

That depends on your point of view. You might very well think there is absolutely nothing wrong with any of the following organisations. If you're gay, some names might be a tad bit familiar and not in a good way:

IRS 990 forms show that WinShape , the restaurant chain's charitable foundation which was founded by Chick-Fil-A's chairman S. Truett Cathy in 1994, gave to the following groups in 2009:

Marriage & Family Legacy Fund: $994,199
Fellowship Of Christian Athletes: $480,000
National Christian Foundation: $240,000
Focus On The Family: $12,500
Eagle Forum: $5,000
Exodus International: $1,000
Family Research Council: $1,000

Chick-Fil-A Donated Nearly $2 Million To Anti-Gay Groups In 2009 | Equality Matters
 
Do you also think the it is the right thing for those who are not in favor of ssm to boycott and refuse to support any organization or store that does support ssm or is run by homosexuals? Should consumers really be basing their spending habits on the sexual preferences and opinions of business owners?

You are using a false equivalency. Pro-SSM people aren't dehumanizing the other side like the other side is.
 
Am I missing where The Muppets had anything to do with ChikAFilA to begin with? Was there some sort of prior business relationship? Did they sometime in the past use Muppet characters in their advertising?
did chik fil a send a check to henson for no reason?

Sounds like the daughter is desparate to reinvigorate her father's business. Their revival movie barely made it's nut and the government is increasingly pulling out of PBS (a prime source of Muppet revenue).
she is doing well enough to forego payment from chik fil a

What Lisa Hensen thinks, so what? Might as well be quoting a random dude on the street.
what she did was effective enough to get you to post
then we must conclude you do care about what she thinks
 
That's a fair comment.

I do sometimes wonder how many people I see posting their outrage concerning Chick-Fil-A and their negative actions in regards to the civil rights of gay people are posting their thoughts from their iPhones and iPad's brought to you by workers who have such horrendous working conditions due to the lack of rights that suicides of employees were viewed as normal occurences.
 
I do sometimes wonder how many people I see posting their outrage concerning Chick-Fil-A and their negative actions in regards to the civil rights of gay people are posting their thoughts from their iPhones and iPad's brought to you by workers who have such horrendous working conditions due to the lack of rights that suicides of employees were viewed as normal occurences.

Don't be so hard on iPhone and iPad owners. They are obviously emotionally handicapped. That is the only way to explain why they would pay too much for a product that will be replaced in six months by a new one. :lol:

You make a good point. I dare anyone to find products at Walmart that aren't made in China. We can thank every President since Nixon for this crap.
 
Do you also think the it is the right thing for those who are not in favor of ssm to boycott and refuse to support any organization or store that does support ssm or is run by homosexuals? Should consumers really be basing their spending habits on the sexual preferences and opinions of business owners?

I think anybody should be able to boycott anything for any reason, logical or not. Boycotts are passive and harm nothing. If it feels good - do it.
 
You are using a false equivalency. Pro-SSM people aren't dehumanizing the other side like the other side is.

It is not. Do you think those who do not support ssm should be boycotting businesses too? i should word it as, it is the right thing for them to do.
 
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I think anybody should be able to boycott anything for any reason, logical or not. Boycotts are passive and harm nothing. If it feels good - do it.

I dont think anyone would argue that they shouldnt be able to. The question is, is it the right thing to do?
 
did chik fil a send a check to henson for no reason?

That was my question in the first place. Thank goodness someone here was bright enough to answer the question rather than just repeating it.

she is doing well enough to forego payment from chik fil a

Actually, no, they're not doing all that well. Hensen and Compnay has languished since Jim died.

what she did was effective enough to get you to post
then we must conclude you do care about what she thinks

No, remember where you are. This is a discussion forum. I was responding to the other members on this topic. But let's just pretend I did care about Lisa Hensen's opinion on this or any other matter. Is it positive attention or negative? Will it encourage me to buy their products, or leave them on the shelf?

They sell to parents for children. Making the Muppets gay in the minds of parents isn't going to help sales. Which is Lisa's primary duty as head of the company.

Edit: Aha! Now I see why Lisa is making this public. It's a face-saving move (they were about to get sued):

Coincidence! Chick-Fil-A pulls Jim Henson toy over ‘safety issue’ as company blasts restaurant’s anti-gay stance

The notice on the counter of Chick-Fil-A location in Plano, Texas says that a Jim Henson Company Creature Shop Puppet was pulled because some children's fingers got stuck in the toys' holes, but recall, ostensibly dated July 19, became public knowledge after Henson's CEO criticized the chaIn's anti-gay stance.


Read more: Coincidence! Chick-Fil-A pulls Jim Henson toy over
 
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Some people fail to recognize that it is quite possible to be a Christian without being a hateful bigot spreading lies in order to try to damage a group of people.

The one's who actually follow Jesus' teachings, for instance.............

Homosexuality is an abomination to the Lord. That IS Jesus's teachings.
 
Muppets dump Chick-Fil-A to support gay marriage - Chicago Tribune

"The Jim Henson Company has celebrated and embraced diversity and inclusiveness for over fifty years and we have notified Chick-Fil-A that we do not wish to partner with them on any future endeavors," the company said in a statement posted on their official Facebook page.

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The Henson company, whose Muppet characters are hugely popular, said its Chief Executive Lisa Henson is a "strong supporter of gay marriage and has directed us to donate the payment we received from Chick-Fil-A to GLAAD," the company said in their statement.


Chick-Fil-A has not hidden its Christian mission statement from day one, which precedes the founding of Henson's company. If Henson actually gave a damn about the issue, rather than responding to pressure and then grandstanding, they might have never chosen to associate with Chick-Fil-A at all.

It's a pity that simple symbols and characters from childhood now have to be politicized.

Perhaps. But she's as free to speak as anyone else. Many a company doesn't want their name attached to someone or something that might reflect badly on them. And stupid, like we heard from Chick-Fil-A, well, someone might not want that to reflect on them. And anyone is free to say so.
 
Don't be so hard on iPhone and iPad owners. They are obviously emotionally handicapped. That is the only way to explain why they would pay too much for a product that will be replaced in six months by a new one. :lol:

You make a good point. I dare anyone to find products at Walmart that aren't made in China. We can thank every President since Nixon for this crap.

Hey hey hey

It's android phones/tablets that have like a 6 month life span before the new and improved one comes out ;) Apple you get 1 year before you're outdated relative to Apple technology (and like, -6 months sometimes relative to the tech field as a whole)
 
The issue with (Chick-fil-a, edited to correct a juvenile mis-spelling) seems to be based not on thier Christianity but on their political positions.

And what political position does Chick-Fil-A take?

Claiming is has to do with Christianity is just a ploy for sympathy.

You're really going to have to clear this up for me...Who is claiming that what has to do with Christianity?
 
Perhaps. But she's as free to speak as anyone else. Many a company doesn't want their name attached to someone or something that might reflect badly on them. And stupid, like we heard from Chick-Fil-A, well, someone might not want that to reflect on them. And anyone is free to say so.

Yeah, but as I read more on it, turns out to be an empty threat on her part. What she fails to mention was that Disney has owned the Muppets outright since 2002 and the Jim Henson Company no longer has any interest in them.

I'm pretty sure Disney will keep on licensing the Muppets to Chik.
 
I didn't even know that Chic-Filet was a "christian" organization.
 
Yeah, but as I read more on it, turns out to be an empty threat on her part. What she fails to mention was that Disney has owned the Muppets outright since 2002 and the Jim Henson Company no longer has any interest in them.

I'm pretty sure Disney will keep on licensing the Muppets to Chik.

Doesn't matter. Either way, she can say what she pleases.
 
The Muppets are about teaching tolerance and diversity. If you think that is "politicization", then you also have to be outraged at every Sunday School in the nation.

Deliberately missing the point is a lame way to score cheap points.

"More inclusive than thou" is self-righteous grandstanding, too.
 
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I look forward to all those very principled people coming out loud and strong against the black and hispanic groups that are accpting of homosexuals but dont believe gay marriage is 'right'. Just like...you know...the president...up until he decided to play his 'gay token' pawn.
 
I didn't even know that Chic-Filet was a "christian" organization.

Well it's not a "chrisitan" organization as in it's goals are religious...but it's "christian" in the notion that its owners business practices and views are highlighly influenced by their religion.

Anyone that frequents a Chick-Fil-A should have at least a guess that they may be religious as I'm sure they've gone "Hmm, I'd love some [insert chick-fil-a food] right now" only to drive by the resturant and go "Ah ****! I forgot it's Sunday" because they close every single sunday.

In most stores there's usually a poster explaining why, due to the deeply held religious beliefs, they are closed on Sundays.
 
Doesn't matter. Either way, she can say what she pleases.

Yeah, so? No one here is saying she can't. Just that it's meaningless for her to do so. As I stated, her father's company doesn't own the Muppets anymore, haven't for a decade. They don't license Chik anything - Disney owns the Muppets and their marketing outright.
 
I think anybody should be able to boycott anything for any reason, logical or not. Boycotts are passive and harm nothing. If it feels good - do it.

The issue specklebang that got the whole ball rolling on this subject are Chicago and Boston's decisions to deny business licenses to Chick-Fil-A based on the owners public comments espousing his opinion on SSM. Boycotting is pointless anyway, and anyway it's really beside the point. It's one thing to boycott, it's another to use the power of government to prevent someone from opening a business based on their religious beliefs.
 
Yeah, but as I read more on it, turns out to be an empty threat on her part. What she fails to mention was that Disney has owned the Muppets outright since 2002 and the Jim Henson Company no longer has any interest in them.

I'm pretty sure Disney will keep on licensing the Muppets to Chik.

but we have found out that the henson company will no longer work for chik fil a

guess we won't have anymore cows telling us to 'eat more chicken'
 
She is free to do this. Although, I wonder how many people who thought it was stupid for some people to boycott Oreo think it is also stupid to boycott Chick Fil A :rolleyes: People can boycott and do what they want.
 
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