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Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

That's part of why I left the Christian Faith.... nobody willing to stand up for Right and Wrong anymore. Besides, I was always more of an Old Testament fan anyway.

I see why Iran has such an appeal for you.
 
I just can't believe this company is being lambasted because it publicly espouses Christian values.

Except, of course, that it isn't.
 
I wasn't aware 'christain values' were the same thing as anti-gay bigotry. I guess it depends on what kind of christian you are.

I think she means those Pharisees virulently opposed to Jesus' teachings rather than the actual Christians who follow Him.
 
I just can't believe this company is being lambasted because it publicly espouses Christian values.

As long as they're not deprived of their right to worship, I don't see what the problem is. They have the right to express their beliefs and other people have the right to express disagreement with those beliefs.
 
Clearly you don't 'get it'. Have somebody explain it to you.

There's nothing special about "liberal stupidity". Its just as stupid as other stupidities.

Now let's have some mayors start revoking the business permits of anyone deemed to be a pro-gay business owner. Or in fact, an actual gay business owner. Or at least not renew those licenses.

See how that works ? See how damn stupid liberals have become ?
 
As long as they're not deprived of their right to worship, I don't see what the problem is. They have the right to express their beliefs and other people have the right to express disagreement with those beliefs.

Forgive my pointing this out, but that is not the standard. Well, not the "liberal" standard. The Ten Commandments in a Courthouse denies no one a right to worship. Dittos saying a prayer in school.

In the case of Chic-Fil-A, the government is discriminating against them because of a legal political or religious belief.
 
I wasn't aware 'christain values' were the same thing as anti-gay bigotry. I guess it depends on what kind of christian you are.

Except, of course, that it isn't.

Most Christians, I think, would say that marriage between a man and a woman is biblically correct. (I support gay marriage, so don't climb all OVER my ass. Ha!) Thank heaven there are enough pick-and-choose Christians in our country that also espouse to the "Judge not . . ." part. But Christianity itself doesn't support gay marriage. Period.

What anti-gay bigotry? Maybe I've missed something...because that's wrong.
 
Forgive my pointing this out, but that is not the standard. Well, not the "liberal" standard. The Ten Commandments in a Courthouse denies no one a right to worship. Dittos saying a prayer in school.

In the case of Chic-Fil-A, the government is discriminating against them because of a legal political or religious belief.

You're not making any sense in the context of this thread. This is not about the government, nor is it about what is on a Courthouse's walls or praying in public schools. This about the Cookie Monster and chicken sandwiches.
 
Muppets dump Chick-Fil-A to support gay marriage - Chicago Tribune

"The Jim Henson Company has celebrated and embraced diversity and inclusiveness for over fifty years and we have notified Chick-Fil-A that we do not wish to partner with them on any future endeavors," the company said in a statement posted on their official Facebook page.

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The Henson company, whose Muppet characters are hugely popular, said its Chief Executive Lisa Henson is a "strong supporter of gay marriage and has directed us to donate the payment we received from Chick-Fil-A to GLAAD," the company said in their statement.


Chick-Fil-A has not hidden its Christian mission statement from day one, which precedes the founding of Henson's company. If Henson actually gave a damn about the issue, rather than responding to pressure and then grandstanding, they might have never chosen to associate with Chick-Fil-A at all.

It's a pity that simple symbols and characters from childhood now have to be politicized.

The Muppets are about teaching tolerance and diversity. If you think that is "politicization", then you also have to be outraged at every Sunday School in the nation.
 
Most Christians, I think, would say that marriage between a man and a woman is biblically correct. (I support gay marriage, so don't climb all OVER my ass. Ha!) Thank heaven there are enough pick-and-choose Christians in our country that also espouse to the "Judge not . . ." part. But Christianity itself doesn't support gay marriage. Period.

What anti-gay bigotry? Maybe I've missed something...because that's wrong.

I think they mean the anti-gay or fix-the-gay organisations that Chick-Fil-A donates tons of money to.
 
Most Christians, I think, would say that marriage between a man and a woman is biblically correct. (I support gay marriage, so don't climb all OVER my ass. Ha!) Thank heaven there are enough pick-and-choose Christians in our country that also espouse to the "Judge not . . ." part. But Christianity itself doesn't support gay marriage. Period.

What anti-gay bigotry? Maybe I've missed something...because that's wrong.

The kind that says that if gays get married God wrath will be bestowed upon us. It's ridiculous on it's face. Or does God only care about American gay marriage?
 
The kind that says that if gays get married God wrath will be bestowed upon us. It's ridiculous on it's face. Or does God only care about American gay marriage?

Where did ChickFilA's CEO say anything like this?

I'm not sure, but I'm guessing that the US has become among the most tolerant nations of the gay/lesbian lifestyle. We have a ways to go, but we're on the right path, that's for sure.
 
There's nothing special about "liberal stupidity". Its just as stupid as other stupidities.

Now let's have some mayors start revoking the business permits of anyone deemed to be a pro-gay business owner. Or in fact, an actual gay business owner. Or at least not renew those licenses.

See how that works ? See how damn stupid liberals have become ?

Except, of course, I have expressed no opinion on the action of this 'liberal' mayor or any other 'liberal' mayor. Since you asked, I oppose the notion that the weight of government should be brought to bear on these people, no matter how bigotted they are.

What I said was that I choose not to give my money to businesses who are likely to use some of that money to fund bigoted activities which dehumanize people based on their sexual orientation.

See how that works?
 
Forgive my pointing this out, but that is not the standard. Well, not the "liberal" standard. The Ten Commandments in a Courthouse denies no one a right to worship. Dittos saying a prayer in school.

In the case of Chic-Fil-A, the government is discriminating against them because of a legal political or religious belief.

Can you tell me what the First Commandment is?
 
Where did ChickFilA's CEO say anything like this?

I'm not sure, but I'm guessing that the US has become among the most tolerant nations of the gay/lesbian lifestyle. We have a ways to go, but we're on the right path, that's for sure.

Yes, we have a ways to go and this CEO is part of the problem. Therefore not supporting Chic-fil-A is the way to go.
 
Where did ChickFilA's CEO say anything like this?

I'm not sure, but I'm guessing that the US has become among the most tolerant nations of the gay/lesbian lifestyle. We have a ways to go, but we're on the right path, that's for sure.

“I think we are inviting God’s judgment on our nation when we shake our fist at Him and say, ‘We know better than you as to what constitutes a marriage,’” said Cathy.

“I pray God’s mercy on our generation that has such a prideful, arrogant attitude to think that we have the audacity to define what marriage is about,” he added.

Chick-fil-A president: Gay marriage is

There is an audio link on that page too. Dan Cathy also says that children of single parent homes are "emotionally handicapped".
 
Am I missing where The Muppets had anything to do with ChikAFilA to begin with? Was there some sort of prior business relationship? Did they sometime in the past use Muppet characters in their advertising?

Sounds like the daughter is desparate to reinvigorate her father's business. Their revival movie barely made it's nut and the government is increasingly pulling out of PBS (a prime source of Muppet revenue). What Lisa Hensen thinks, so what? Might as well be quoting a random dude on the street.
 
Except, of course, some small percentage of whatever you spend on those tasty nuggets will be spent somewhere de-humanizing gay people. Which, of course, is your choice. They won't be doing it with any of my money, which is my choice.

Yep, that's my choice and yours. Each can make it. I'm however not naive enough to believe that most every business I interact with has some individual utilizing the money they gain in some fashion I disagree with, nor hollow in my need to be principled to only give a damn when such a thing is made obvious. Kind of like I have no issue stopping for Citgo Gas on my way to work if I'm low and need to grab it quick when that's the best station on the way.

Perhaps if a company is doing enough egregious things at a large enough level with enough purposeful intent in terms of those specific egregious things, I personally may decide to act differently. Considering I believe Chick-Fil-A also to be spending the money from my tasty nuggets on a number of GOOD sources and reasons that I approve of as well, and the amount of impact my money is going to actuall have on that one specific lone part that I have significant issue with (note, that's not the "no gay marriage" part but the "homosexuality should be illegal" part. one of those I disagree with politically, one I find inherently unethical), it's not enough to change my eating habits. More power to you if it does yours...we all get that choice. I'm not saying my choice is right for you, only that it's right for me.
 
Am I missing where The Muppets had anything to do with ChikAFilA to begin with? Was there some sort of prior business relationship? Did they sometime in the past use Muppet characters in their advertising?

Sounds like the daughter is desparate to reinvigorate her father's business. Their revival movie barely made it's nut and the government is increasingly pulling out of PBS (a prime source of Muppet revenue). What Lisa Hensen thinks, so what? Might as well be quoting a random dude on the street.

They were using Muppet toys in their kids meals.
 
There is an audio link on that page too. Dan Cathy also says that children of single parent homes are "emotionally handicapped".

That much is true (what you quoted Cathy as saying).
 
Yep, that's my choice and yours. Each can make it. I'm however not naive enough to believe that most every business I interact with has some individual utilizing the money they gain in some fashion I disagree with, nor hollow in my need to be principled to only give a damn when such a thing is made obvious. Kind of like I have no issue stopping for Citgo Gas on my way to work if I'm low and need to grab it quick when that's the best station on the way.

Perhaps if a company is doing enough egregious things at a large enough level with enough purposeful intent in terms of those specific egregious things, I personally may decide to act differently. Considering I believe Chick-Fil-A also to be spending the money from my tasty nuggets on a number of GOOD sources and reasons that I approve of as well, and the amount of impact my money is going to actuall have on that one specific lone part that I have significant issue with (note, that's not the "no gay marriage" part but the "homosexuality should be illegal" part. one of those I disagree with politically, one I find inherently unethical), it's not enough to change my eating habits. More power to you if it does yours...we all get that choice. I'm not saying my choice is right for you, only that it's right for me.

That's a fair comment.
 
They were using Muppet toys in their kids meals.

Aha. Well then it's a win/win for Chik. They can pay less for the crap that gets thrown in the kid's meals (Muppet licensing isn't cheap) and they no longer have to support Hensen and Company. Hensen loses, Chick gains.

Gotta say, this is a terrible business decision on Hensen's part. Her Board of Directors should vote her out immediately. She just tied the Muppets (a children's entertainment company) to a sexual orientation cause. With a little advertising by the anti-gay folks and the Muppets could easily become the "gay toy". That's speaking to an exceedingly small market.
 
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Yes, we have a ways to go and this CEO is part of the problem. Therefore not supporting Chic-fil-A is the way to go.

Do you also think the it is the right thing for those who are not in favor of ssm to boycott and refuse to support any organization or store that does support ssm or is run by homosexuals? Should consumers really be basing their spending habits on the sexual preferences and opinions of business owners?
 
Some people fail to recognize that it is quite possible to be a Christian without being a hateful bigot spreading lies in order to try to damage a group of people.

The one's who actually follow Jesus' teachings, for instance.............

However, the norm for the majority of your strict fundamentalist southern baptists, which is what Cathy is and has made no bones about it, is opposition to gay marriage.

Apparently stereotyping how a group is going to vote based singularly on their religious beliefs as a means to attempt to insult them, as often happens with regards to evangelicals and the "religious right" is perfectly okay. However, stereotyping them based singularly on their religious beliefs when it would keep you from eating their tasty tasty chicken....absolutely unfathomable and you would of course only act once it's blatantly stated that they hold that stereotypical view.

That's the part that makes me chuckle.
 
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