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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcat View Post
    that this whole thing is a left wing attempt to demonize people or businesses that believe in traditional judeo/christian values.
    So I assume you feel just as strongly against all those that boycott stores for not saying "Merry Christmas" right?

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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcat View Post
    that this whole thing is a left wing attempt to demonize people or businesses that believe in traditional judeo/christian values.
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    Notice how many on that list are not being "demonized".
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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcat View Post
    many people are opposed to gay marriage. are all of them to be ostracized from society for not buying into the current PC BS?
    How many of them are donating money to groups that claim gays are child molesters and recommend parents send their gay children to conversion therapy?
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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    Why do you think it's stupid to refuse to give money to a business that actively works against a cause you believe in?
    I guess I should rephrase.

    If you're doing it because it simply has ruined your enjoyment/usefullness with the act of eating Chick-Fil-A or because you feel good for doing it, and have no issue with understanding this feeling is due to your blissful ignorance, then no it's not dumb.

    If you think it's likely to make a significant difference and that's why you're doing it, it's probably stupid. If you're doing it because you think you're taking some kind of principled stand, it's probably stupid. If you're doing it to be able to yap about it on facebook or online, it's probably stupid. And if you don't actually eat at Chick-Fil-A but are proudly proclaiming your boycott of them, yeah that's probably stupid as well.

    It's stupid to think it's going to make a significant difference because based on it's geographical location, the general political persuation of people there, and the fact that the amount of people who actually get whipped up in some kind of activist political frenzy pales in comparison to the average population typically, the notion that you're going to harm Chick-Fil-A enough to make it change it's practices in the long run is an extremely unlikely one. It reminds me a lot of voting for a 3rd party candidate because you think it'll make a difference.

    It's probably stupid if you're doing it because you think you're taking a principled stand, because the vast majority of people are likely unknowingly hugely inconsistent and are such because of their own chosen and purposeful ignorance and their desire to care about their principles only in so much that it requires them to pay attention to the facebook movement of the week. For those that have spouted off about how it's a voilation of peoples rights or even human rights, do you happen to use an iPhone? HP printer? XBox360? If so then congratulations, you're supporting Foxconn...a company whose human rights record is attrocious. One so bad that you had 100+ employees threaten a mass SUICIDE...yeah, not strike, just flat out killing themselves...if they didn't get their promised raise to around $475 a month (note, month, not week). Or perhaps they're wearing clothes or shoes put together by child labor overseas in horrendous conditions. Or if you want to bring it back home...some of the complaints on Cathy is not HIS actoins but the actions of people he gives moeny to. Is there some mystical end point in which it's no longer a problem? If he gives money to a group that advocates for something is that bad, but if a company you suppot gives money to a group that supports a certain politician/political party that is likely to vote for something you feel is bad (but is not the reason the money was given) is that okay? Because in the end it's the same result...your money going to fund a cause you don't believe in. So to me, taking a hollow principled stand that is principled only if one remains blissfully and purposefully ignorant of everything else they spend their money on, is kind of dumb.

    If you're doing it simply to be involved, that should be evident.

    And if you're doing it when you weren't even going to eat there anyways, then frankly you're looking for attention even if it's just the attention of the fact you're giving the movement your support.

    This isn't even about Chick-Fil-A, but more just in general. If you are forgoing doing something that is beneficial or that you like simply for political reasons when said entity isn't political in nature, where said refusal is likely to have no affect, and where their actions are likely not much different than many things you still participate in with the only exception being the blatantness of it....then to me that's kind of dumb.

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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Muppets dump Chick-Fil-A to support gay marriage - Chicago Tribune

    "The Jim Henson Company has celebrated and embraced diversity and inclusiveness for over fifty years and we have notified Chick-Fil-A that we do not wish to partner with them on any future endeavors," the company said in a statement posted on their official Facebook page.

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    The Henson company, whose Muppet characters are hugely popular, said its Chief Executive Lisa Henson is a "strong supporter of gay marriage and has directed us to donate the payment we received from Chick-Fil-A to GLAAD," the company said in their statement.


    Chick-Fil-A has not hidden its Christian mission statement from day one, which precedes the founding of Henson's company. If Henson actually gave a damn about the issue, rather than responding to pressure and then grandstanding, they might have never chosen to associate with Chick-Fil-A at all.

    It's a pity that simple symbols and characters from childhood now have to be politicized.
    Baloney........so chick fil a can exercise right of free speech but Henson can't? Both have a right to their opinions and the right to express them legally. I love chick fil a, but on principle won't patronize them again. My right.

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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    The muslim faith teaches that homosexuality is wrong. As does the christian faith. As does jewish and Bahai and many others. Can you explain why people protest christain businesses and churches but they others are for some reason excempt and actually encouraged by most of those same people who support ssm. Why is christianity singled out?
    Christianity isnt being singled out. The CEO of CFA is being singled out because of his recent public comments on behalf of the company and due to the money the company gives to organizations that are opposing equal rights for a group of people.

    Im not the type of person who boycotts companies or anything like that but I normally dont pay attention to what business is run by Muslims or Christians or atheists nor do I pay attention to what groups businesses donate to and im willing to bet that most people are the same way. However if you want to find a business run by a Muslim whos company donates to groups similar to Focus on the Family and who said that their business is against SSM I would be happy to show my displeasure at his/her stance as well.

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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I guess I should rephrase.

    If you're doing it because it simply has ruined your enjoyment/usefullness with the act of eating Chick-Fil-A, and you fully realize and understand that it's a hollow gesture based singularly off of what's at your immediete attention, then more power to you.

    If you think it's likely to make a significant difference and that's why you're doing it, it's probably stupid. If you're doing it because you think you're taking some kind of principled stand, it's probably stupid. If you're doing it to be able to yap about it on facebook or online, it's probably stupid. And if you don't actually eat at Chick-Fil-A but are proudly proclaiming your boycott of them, yeah that's probably stupid as well.

    It's stupid to think it's going to make a significant difference because based on it's geographical location, the general political persuation of people there, and the fact that the amount of people who actually get whipped up in some kind of activist political frenzy pales in comparison to the average population typically, the notion that you're going to harm Chick-Fil-A enough to make it change it's practices in the long run is an extremely unlikely one. It reminds me a lot of voting for a 3rd party candidate because you think it'll make a difference.

    It's probably stupid if you're doing it because you think you're taking a principled stand, because the vast majority of people are likely unknowingly hugely inconsistent and are such because of their own chosen and purposeful ignorance and their desire to care about their principles only in so much that it requires them to pay attention to the facebook movement of the week. For those that have spouted off about how it's a voilation of peoples rights or even human rights, do you happen to use an iPhone? HP printer? XBox360? If so then congratulations, you're supporting Foxconn...a company whose human rights record is attrocious. One so bad that you had 100+ employees threaten a mass SUICIDE...yeah, not strike, just flat out killing themselves...if they didn't get their promised raise to around $475 a month (note, month, not week). Or perhaps they're wearing clothes or shoes put together by child labor overseas in horrendous conditions. Or if you want to bring it back home...some of the complaints on Cathy is not HIS actoins but the actions of people he gives moeny to. Is there some mystical end point in which it's no longer a problem? If he gives money to a group that advocates for something is that bad, but if a company you suppot gives money to a group that supports a certain politician/political party that is likely to vote for something you feel is bad (but is not the reason the money was given) is that okay? Because in the end it's the same result...your money going to fund a cause you don't believe in. So to me, taking a hollow principled stand that is principled only if one remains blissfully and purposefully ignorant of everything else they spend their money on, is kind of dumb.

    If you're doing it simply to be involved, that should be evident.

    And if you're doing it when you weren't even going to eat there anyways, then frankly you're looking for attention even if it's just the attention of the fact you're giving the movement your support.

    This isn't even about Chick-Fil-A, but more just in general. If you are forgoing doing something that is beneficial or that you like simply for political reasons when said entity isn't political in nature, where said refusal is likely to have no affect, and where their actions are likely not much different than many things you still participate in with the only exception being the blatantness of it....then to me that's kind of dumb.
    While it is true that people probably are giving money to businesses that engage in things they object to, it is excusable if they don't realize it. You can't expect people to hire a private investigator to go shopping with them. I don't give my money to Foxconn associates. I think it's unreasonable for you to expect people to not take a principled stand in one instance they are aware of just because they don't investigate the hundreds of companies they give money to. I don't have a delusions about putting any business out of business with a boycott. Boycotts are more about awareness. This addresses the ignorance about business associations that may be unfavorable. I don't have any delusions about Chick Fil-A changing their stance either.

    When I have knowledge of business associations that work against causes I believe in, I do find other businesses to give my business to.

    Voting third party isn't stupid either. I would think that a free market guy like yourself would understand that competition is a good thing. Even if they don't win, they have the opportunity to gain access to debates. The "either/or" dichotomy has our political system and environment in a complete chaotic mess.
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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    While it is true that people probably are giving money to businesses that engage in things they object to, it is excusable if they don't realize it.
    I agree...to a point.

    If you find out a businesses engages in things you object to and you stop giving money to them and that's pretty much it.

    If you find out a business engages in things you object to, you stop giving money to it, then you start making a giant hoha about it on facebook and forums, and you start accusing those that disagree with you of bigotry or supporting bigotry, and you make it some big personal crusade where you're stating how you're against it in principle and how wrong is....no, I don't find it excusable. I find it lazy and intellectually dishonest.

    The moment you start trying to take it up as a charge, start making it a big issue to everyone you speak with, start acting as if it's some kind of greater stance or message against intolerance or bigotry rather than you simply not purchasing food at a place anymore my ability to excuse your lazy lack of interest in what you're spending your money on beyond the bad things that are shoved in your face reduces to near zero.

    If you're simply acting on a relatively personal level with regards to your decisions regarding it, I agree with you on the excusable nature of it. But the moment you begin to spend significant time going around commenting all over facebook, posting up on message boards, searching for other news articles about it, delving into what those companies that they fund actually said, etc and then go on forward to insult those that disagree with you, proclaim how much better you are, and make it some giant issue...no, no excusable to me. Your principles are hollow, your desire is more to be part of the big to do of the day and to make it all about you then it is any honest and truthful problem with "rights" or worry about "where your money goes". It's the fact that it became common knowledge, and you need everyone else to know how great you are that YOU'RE taking a stand, and because you're so SHOCKED at that particular instance yet seemingly only care about where your money goes on the most superficial, lazy of levels. I'm not even talking about private investigators. I'm talking about doing a freaking google search. Ask it what companies give money to Republicans. Congratulations, you just found a bunch of companies who if you buy their product your money is likely going to support the cause of disallowing same sex marriage.

    Voting third party isn't stupid either.
    Voting third party because you expect it to have some kind of sizable impact is stupid. Voting third party "on principle" while you give money to the Republicans is stupid. Voting 3rd party in general? Not stupid. It depends on what you're expecting from it, why you're doing it, and what actions you're taking surrounding it.

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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Yeah, spamming Facebook with political garbage is pretty stupid. The only thing I really advocate for on Facebook is rescuing animals from shelters, ending breed bans and animal cruelty.
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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    I don't see why Lisa Henson has to be such a hate-filled, intolerant, disrespectful bigot that she would deny someone service over their religious views
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