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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I would have to assume yes or there would be a rash of lawsuits.
    Colorado doesn't have legal same sex marriage, so if the couple that you know live there, then they actually couldn't sue for not being recognized as a legally married couple, since they can't be legally married where they live.

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    His business has no track record of discriminating against gay people at all.
    Which would be almost impossible to prove in this case just due to the fact that very few states offer legal same sex union recognition to begin with and the company doesn't offer spouse benefits to all its employees either, regardless of their sexuality.

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    yes they should. Boycotting a business based on the owners or employees religion, sexual orientation, race, gender or creed is wrong. Encouraging others to do the same is even more wrong. It is bigoted.
    To each their own.

    And your own example was not "boycotting a business based on owners' employees religion, sexual orientation, race, gender, or creed" and neither are any of those things the reasons why people are boycotting Chick-Fil-A. It is bigoted to boycott for those reasons, except creed. If someone's creed told them to treat others differently, then why is it wrong to boycott them? Those are beliefs. If someone believed that women should not be allowed in public outside the company of a man, but they had no choice but to allow those people in their store, would it be wrong to boycott that person's store because you believe that if otherwise not required by law, they would not allow unaccompanied women into their store?

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    The difference between this bakery and chick fil a is this man's business is actually discriminating against this couple because of their sexual orientation. It is one thing to be against ssm but treat all customers and employees the same, it is quite another to actually refuse service to homosexuals.
    To me, it isn't. Especially since it is likely that if not for either laws that prevent discrimination or knowing that they would receive a backlash for doing such a thing, they would do it.
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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Colorado doesn't have legal same sex marriage, so if the couple that you know live there, then they actually couldn't sue for not being recognized as a legally married couple, since they can't be legally married where they live.
    I am fairly certain Chick Fil A has stores in states that do and we still dont know of any instances of discrimination. Certainly not more than any other company if they do.

    Which would be almost impossible to prove in this case just due to the fact that very few states offer legal same sex union recognition to begin with and the company doesn't offer spouse benefits to all its employees either, regardless of their sexuality.
    Many companies offer benefits that include spouse or significant other whether the states allow marriage or not. I know the company I work for does. But I also dont work in fast food. No idea if he does or if it is the norm.
    And your own example was not "boycotting a business based on owners' employees religion, sexual orientation, race, gender, or creed" and neither are any of those things the reasons why people are boycotting Chick-Fil-A.
    That is where we differ. The belief that marriage is between a man and a woman (for most people) is one of their religious beliefs.

    If someone believed that women should not be allowed in public outside the company of a man, but they had no choice but to allow those people in their store, would it be wrong to boycott that person's store because you believe that if otherwise not required by law, they would not allow unaccompanied women into their store?
    That store is in the wrong because they are discriminating based on a persons sex. Again, regardless of Mr. Cathy's personal beliefs, his restaurants in no way have a track record for discrimination.

    To me, it isn't. Especially since it is likely that if not for either laws that prevent discrimination or knowing that they would receive a backlash for doing such a thing, they would do it.
    You have no way to know that. There is no law that says Mr. Cathy has to serve gay people. In fact, he can refuse service to anyone and chooses not to.
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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I am fairly certain Chick Fil A has stores in states that do and we still dont know of any instances of discrimination. Certainly not more than any other company if they do.

    Many companies offer benefits that include spouse or significant other whether the states allow marriage or not. I know the company I work for does. But I also dont work in fast food. No idea if he does or if it is the norm.

    That is where we differ. The belief that marriage is between a man and a woman (for most people) is one of their religious beliefs.

    That store is in the wrong because they are discriminating based on a persons sex. Again, regardless of Mr. Cathy's personal beliefs, his restaurants in no way have a track record for discrimination.

    You have no way to know that. There is no law that says Mr. Cathy has to serve gay people. In fact, he can refuse service to anyone and chooses not to.
    You still aren't getting what I'm saying. Would he still hire same sex couples if he were not required by law to do so? Would he treat same sex spouses equally to opposite sex spouses if not required to do so by law? These are what is important to me and from his own comments, it does not appear that he would. We won't truly know since he is required to treat them equally if they are in a state that recognizes same sex marriage and we don't know enough about the benefits he offers and to which of his employees get those benefits and whether he does have same sex spouses that he knows about getting those benefits.

    We do know that he gives money to organizations that lie about homosexuality or twist facts to try to make homosexuality, same sex marriage, and adoption by same sex parents or same sex parents who raise children look bad and wrong. This is not where I want my money to go and I have alternatives when it comes to my food choices which I will base on where they might send my money to. It is the same reason that I try to buy American made products, because I want my money to be recirculated in America, more than in other countries.
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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You still aren't getting what I'm saying. Would he still hire same sex couples if he were not required by law to do so? Would he treat same sex spouses equally to opposite sex spouses if not required to do so by law? These are what is important to me and from his own comments, it does not appear that he would. We won't truly know since he is required to treat them equally if they are in a state that recognizes same sex marriage and we don't know enough about the benefits he offers and to which of his employees get those benefits and whether he does have same sex spouses that he knows about getting those benefits.

    We do know that he gives money to organizations that lie about homosexuality or twist facts to try to make homosexuality, same sex marriage, and adoption by same sex parents or same sex parents who raise children look bad and wrong. This is not where I want my money to go and I have alternatives when it comes to my food choices which I will base on where they might send my money to. It is the same reason that I try to buy American made products, because I want my money to be recirculated in America, more than in other countries.
    The only thing you can take from his comments is that he feels marriage should be between a man and a woman. I dont think he has ever come out and said he thinks that gay couple should not be hired or anything else. Just because a person feels as though marriage should be between a man and a woman does not mean there is anything more to it than that. By that logic since you don't know what any company would do if not lawfully required you shouldnt shop anywhere. Its flawed. Do you know how Walmart would treat their employees (which they teeter on discrimination and unlawful all the time) if not required? Or mcdonalds? JC Penney? Nabisco? Kraft? We don't know. We know these companies care about $$$$ and that is it.
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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    Doesn't make me feel good that someone in a political position/bully pulpit would act/react this way.

    IMO the business owner has the right to give his money to anyone he pleases or he can flush it down the toliet. It's his money and using a political position/bully pulpit against a citizen is wrong. Anyway you cut it.
    God damn people actually having opinions....HOW DARE THEY EXPRESS THEIR FEELINGS!

    Well, unloess they own a business, then they can say what they want.
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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    God damn people actually having opinions....HOW DARE THEY EXPRESS THEIR FEELINGS!

    Well, unloess they own a business, then they can say what they want.
    apparently not.
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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    The mayor is using his position to bully this guy, IMO.
    Did you read what you quoted? He specifically said he could do nothing to stop his business. Expressing an opinion is not bullying. If it was, you would be bulying the mayor right in this post.
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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    apparently not.
    Wrong. No one has said Chic-Fil-A cannot say whatever they want.
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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Wrong. No one has said Chic-Fil-A cannot say whatever they want.
    how dare he express himself. lol noone is saying that anyone can't say what they want. but dont try to be objective or see the whole picture. closed mindedness works for some people.
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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    how dare he express himself. lol noone is saying that anyone can't say what they want. but dont try to be objective or see the whole picture. closed mindedness works for some people.
    Huh? Could you rephrase that please cuz I got no idea what you are saying.
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