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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    I've stated this same point before.

    Don't like where this business owner gives his money, then don't buy from him.

    But don't tell him where he can or can't donate. You wouldn't like it if the same was done to you.
    In fact, no one is telling him where he can or can't donate.
    I've moved on to a better forum (scienceforums.net). Facts matter, and I don't have the time or energy for putting up with the pretense that they don't. PM me if you'd like me to get in touch with you when I'm done developing my own forum system, likely towards the end of 2013.

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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post

    Either way I am off to church, with my wife to whom I am legally married.

    I imagine they don't ever get around to the Sermon On the Mount there, do they?
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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by cmakaioz View Post
    In fact, no one is telling him where he can or can't donate.

    Oh, but out of the shoot Chicago and Boston mayors came out guns a blazing with "I don't want that business in my city". Of course they backtracked, because they weren't elected dictators, just majors. So yes, there were some that wanted to define where he gave his money. And they weren't afraid to use political power to do it, until they found out they couldn't.
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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    i dont need to do research because i dont need to point to others groups problems to justify my own ignorance and hate unlike you. You can point to all the right wing idiots you want and it wont phase me any. No matter what they do it does not justify the bigotry shown by the ssm advocates. Fact is the ssm group cannot get what they want without the right, the religious and others they fight so hard to discriminate against. Continue to hate and discriminate. Its not going to have any effect on me or my family. The only thing you people are doing making things harder for youselves. When you can learn tolerance maybe more people would be inclined to show you some.
    I want to address at least one part of your post. Those of us ssm advocates who are fighting for the rights are not fighting "the right, the religious, <or> others", nor are most of us "discriminating against" them. We are fighting against anti-ssm and anti-gay rights people within those groups and others. There is no "discrimination" when you are telling people who are actually doing something you don't agree with that you will not do business with them or you don't like them (those who are fighting against same sex marriage or gay rights) because of that action, not because they are part of another, unrelated group.

    If you have a group that is called "Anti-gay marriage" or "People who believe the only definition of marriage is a man and a woman", then those groups are going to be made up completely of people who pro-ssm people do not agree with their cause. It works the same way if the group's mission is basically the same thing even if the name of the group is something like "NOM" or "Focus on the Family". Now, Mr. Cathy is not being boycotted for being a Christian or being on the "right" or a conservative. He is being boycotted by many for his statement that he does not want marriage to be between two people of the same sex and for his actions of donating money to several organizations such as NOM or FotF.

    What happens when same sex marriage is legal (because it will happen in the next decade if not sooner)? Will Mr. Cathy give all of his married employees equal access to dependent medical, dental, and life insurance, even if they are in a same sex marriage? Does he give those things now to such employees within those states where same sex marriage is legal? Or does he simply not hire employees who are married or might get married to someone of the same sex? Because of his stated position on same sex marriage, it is hard for someone to actually believe that he could honestly uphold that position and still do things within the law when same sex marriage is legal everywhere and fairly offer those benefits to same sex couples. It is possible, and he may well do it, but it is still iffy given his current stance and that "iffyness" is what many worry about.
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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    i dont need to do research because i dont need to point to others groups problems to justify my own ignorance and hate unlike you. You can point to all the right wing idiots you want and it wont phase me any. No matter what they do it does not justify the bigotry shown by the ssm advocates. Fact is the ssm group cannot get what they want without the right, the religious and others they fight so hard to discriminate against. Continue to hate and discriminate. Its not going to have any effect on me or my family. The only thing you people are doing making things harder for youselves. When you can learn tolerance maybe more people would be inclined to show you some.
    You don't seem to get it. I don't have a problem with the people fighting against SSM. I have a problem with you. I don't like people who are mindlessly partisan. I don't like people who make this issue about "tolerance" whether they are liberal or conservative. That kind of rhetoric is nonsense and adds nothing to the discussion. Both sides are not tolerant of each other, and that is perfectly okay since you can't be tolerant of an opinion with which you do not agree. What I don't like is pretending that any side is less tolerant of the other side. That is ridiculous and baseless and the kind of thing an uninformed partisan hack would argue.

    There is a simple rule with tolerance, that even every Rogerian-style Christian seems to understand. You tolerate the person, even if you disagree with and cannot tolerate the behavior. You don't seem to get that simple philosophy. You have no tolerance for SSM advocates and yet you have no issue with the behavior of intolerance unless its done by SSM advocates and then you can't stand it. That is why I can't stand your posts. The bias in your posts betrays a bias against people, not behavior, and makes you a standing hypocrite willing to ignore intolerance from people you agree with and to scathe at intolerance from people you have a personal agenda against. All your latest posts have done is confirm this for me and anyone else who has read them.
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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I just don't get this mentality.

    The National Organization for Marriage has declared boycotts on at least half a dozen companies for supporting same sex marriage and spends millions on deceitful advertising to push their agenda.

    One Million Moms has declared boycotts on JC Penny simply for having a gay spokesmen.

    In Virginia the state Republicans would not confirm a man to be judge for no other reason than he was gay.

    When Romney chose a gay man to be a spokesman for him, Romney got so much flack from his conservative base for the decision that the spokesman had to quit.

    Where do you get the audacity to pretend that liberals are any more or less conceited than you?
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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Originally Posted by muciti
    i dont need to do research because i dont need to point to others groups problems to justify my own ignorance and hate unlike you. You can point to all the right wing idiots you want and it wont phase me any. No matter what they do it does not justify the bigotry shown by the ssm advocates. Fact is the ssm group cannot get what they want without the right, the religious and others they fight so hard to discriminate against. Continue to hate and discriminate. Its not going to have any effect on me or my family. The only thing you people are doing making things harder for youselves. When you can learn tolerance maybe more people would be inclined to show you some.
    LMAO so IOW to be tolerant one must tolerate the intolerant. Nope I got my limits and the CFA guy is an asswipe.

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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcat View Post
    two wrongs do not make a right.
    Now you are getting it.
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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    You don't seem to get it. I don't have a problem with the people fighting against SSM. I have a problem with you. I don't like people who are mindlessly partisan.
    ok. how exactly am I mindlessly partisan? Please explain that to me.

    Both sides are not tolerant of each other, and that is perfectly okay since you can't be tolerant of an opinion with which you do not agree. What I don't like is pretending that any side is less tolerant of the other side.
    after you are done explaining to me how i am a mindless hack, how about you show me where i have ever said that either side was less tolerant than the other.

    no issue with the behavior of intolerance unless its done by SSM advocates and then you can't stand it.
    While you are at it show me where I have said I have no issue with the behavior of intolerance by others.

    If you want to throw these types of statements out there against me how about you take some time to support them. Otherwise these are just mindless attacks
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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Now you are getting it.
    I have always "gotten it" What you don't get is that people have a right to their opinions and beliefs, and they should not be destroyed for expressing them no matter how offensive. Its called FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
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