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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    None.

    It has come to the point in this country that "free speech" is no longer acceptable to the "lefties" unless it's their "free speech".

    This business owner has the right to give his money to whomever he chooses.
    ...and he remains free to do so. Freedom of speech (which thanks to the absurd legal holdings, currently includes expenditure of money) does NOT mean immunity to consequences of that speech, i.e.:

    X person is still allowed to take idiotic bigoted stances, and to provide funding for harmful and antisocial causes...

    AND

    Potential and former customers and business partners are free to use his objectionable speech -- and his objectionable spending on harmful causes -- as a reason for not patronizing his business locations or partnering with business ventures owned or operated by him.

    The business owner is not legally obligated to be reasonable, and customers are not obligated to support him.

    Also, I must remind folks that incorporation of a business is a privilege, not a right. Corporations -- through the charter process -- are *supposed* to be held to a standard of demonstrating and sustaining benefit to the communities in which they operate. In the absence or effective elimination of the charter revocation process, specific cities or communities reasserting their right to deny privileges to harmful organization seems a perfectly reasonable substitute. Corporations are legal fictions, not ACTUAL people (regardless of what certain atrocious legal doctrines may hold).
    I've moved on to a better forum (scienceforums.net). Facts matter, and I don't have the time or energy for putting up with the pretense that they don't. PM me if you'd like me to get in touch with you when I'm done developing my own forum system, likely towards the end of 2013.

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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    business owners lare not allowed to have their own opinions outside of their business unless it is line with what the overly pc crowd tells them is ok.
    This bullcrap you spout is utterly moronic. You know just as well as anyone that conservative organizations like NOM and One Million Moms are boycotting and creating media firestorms over pro gay businesses. I'm getting tired of hearing you parrot this Fox News bullcrap because it adds nothing to the discussion but your own partisan whining that has absolutely no basis in reality aside form letting you strut your bias like it's a trophy.

    Jesus Christ dude, get over yourself. The only victims here are the people with reason who have to listen to this irrational filth.
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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by cmakaioz View Post
    ...and he remains free to do so. Freedom of speech (which thanks to the absurd legal holdings, currently includes expenditure of money) does NOT mean immunity to consequences of that speech, i.e.:

    X person is still allowed to take idiotic bigoted stances, and to provide funding for harmful and antisocial causes...

    AND

    Potential and former customers and business partners are free to use his objectionable speech -- and his objectionable spending on harmful causes -- as a reason for not patronizing his business locations or partnering with business ventures owned or operated by him.

    The business owner is not legally obligated to be reasonable, and customers are not obligated to support him.

    Also, I must remind folks that incorporation of a business is a privilege, not a right. Corporations -- through the charter process -- are *supposed* to be held to a standard of demonstrating and sustaining benefit to the communities in which they operate. In the absence or effective elimination of the charter revocation process, specific cities or communities reasserting their right to deny privileges to harmful seems a perfectly reasonable substitute. Corporations are legal fictions, not ACTUAL people (regardless of what certain atrocious legal doctrines may hold).
    yes and millions of others are allowed to increase our business to his restaurants. He is legally allowed to donate money to who he wants. Anti SSM groups are legally allowed to fight against ssm. Noone is legally required to try to come together on any of these issues. We are legally allowed to be hard headed and stubborn. I mean so far it has worked so well. So since we are all legally allowed to do these things then the right thing to do is to keep trying to divide people on this and remain at a constant stalemate so that nothing ever gets achieved for no reason other than we have the right to..
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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    This bullcrap you spout is utterly moronic. You know just as well as anyone that conservative organizations like NOM and One Million Moms are boycotting and creating media firestorms over pro gay businesses. I'm getting tired of hearing you parrot this Fox News bullcrap because it adds nothing to the discussion but your own partisan whining that has absolutely no basis in reality aside form letting you strut your bias like it's a trophy.

    Jesus Christ dude, get over yourself. The only victims here are the people with reason who have to listen to this irrational filth.
    here we go. lets all blame fox news. first off I dont think you have ever seen what news sources I use or what i watch on tv so dont sit there and act like you do. Just becuase someone disagrees with your hate filled rhetoric against religion clearly they are a right wing nut who is brainwashed by fox news. omg. i better seek help. you have completely summed me up. you want to talk about utterly moronic read your own damn post. I dont even know who hell NOM or one million moms are so i have no idea how they are creating a media firestorm. When you are sitting here crying and whining that anyone who disagrees with you is brainwashed and aright wing partisan **** all you do is show your own ignorance.
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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    here we go. lets all blame fox news. first off I dont think you have ever seen what news sources I use or what i watch on tv so dont sit there and act like you do. Just becuase someone disagrees with your hate filled rhetoric against religion clearly they are a right wing nut who is brainwashed by fox news. omg. i better seek help. you have completely summed me up. you want to talk about utterly moronic read your own damn post. I dont even know who hell NOM or one million moms are so i have no idea how they are creating a media firestorm. When you are sitting here crying and whining that anyone who disagrees with you is brainwashed and aright wing partisan **** all you do is show your own ignorance.
    What a partisan hack you are. One anti gay company gets a little media about its position and you are more than happy to run around screaming, "See how intolerant people are of the poor, poor company that shares its non politically correct values."

    Here is a news flash for you. Conservative organizations like the National Organization for Marriage and One Million Moms have been doing this for years and years against pro gay companies. There has been extensive media coverage of when they have done so as well. And yet you weren't there shouting, "See how intolerant people are of these poor, poor companies."

    No, you have a closed mind and selective attention. You hear only what you want to hear and remember only what you want to remember, for to do any different would jeopardize your partisan world view. Good luck with that nonsense.
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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    What a partisan hack you are. One anti gay company gets a little media about its position and you are more than happy to run around screaming, "See how intolerant people are of the poor, poor company that shares its non politically correct values."

    Here is a news flash for you. Conservative organizations like the National Organization for Marriage and One Million Moms have been doing this for years and years against pro gay companies. There has been extensive media coverage of when they have done so as well. And yet you weren't there shouting, "See how intolerant people are of these poor, poor companies."

    No, you have a closed mind and selective attention. You hear only what you want to hear and remember only what you want to remember, for to do any different wo gruld jeopardize your partisan world view. Good luck with that nonsense.
    oh yes i should be upset about groups i have never heard of. that makes a lot of sense.

    Either way I am off to church, with my wife to whom I am legally married.
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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    oh yes i should be upset about groups i have never heard of. that makes a lot of sense.
    Maybe you should do a little research before you whine like a little bitch about something you are not informed about just to get your partisan rocks off.

    Either way I am off to church, with my wife to whom I am legally married.
    My condolences to your wife.
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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Maybe you should do a little research before you whine like a little bitch about something you are not informed about just to get your partisan rocks off.



    My condolences to your wife.
    i dont need to do research because i dont need to point to others groups problems to justify my own ignorance and hate unlike you. You can point to all the right wing idiots you want and it wont phase me any. No matter what they do it does not justify the bigotry shown by the ssm advocates. Fact is the ssm group cannot get what they want without the right, the religious and others they fight so hard to discriminate against. Continue to hate and discriminate. Its not going to have any effect on me or my family. The only thing you people are doing making things harder for youselves. When you can learn tolerance maybe more people would be inclined to show you some.

    Also your argument has to be pathetic and have no real merit when you have to resort to name calling. You want to call me a bitch come show me i am one.

    My wife doesnt need nor want your condolences. She is far less tolerant of people like you than i am.
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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by cmakaioz View Post
    The business owner is not legally obligated to be reasonable, and customers are not obligated to support him.
    I've stated this same point before.

    Don't like where this business owner gives his money, then don't buy from him.

    But don't tell him where he can or can't donate. You wouldn't like it if the same was done to you.
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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    here we go. ... Just becuase someone disagrees with your hate filled rhetoric against religion clearly they are a right wing nut who is brainwashed by fox news. omg. i better seek help. you have completely summed me up. ...

    I don't read any "hate filled rhetoric against religion". I do see an attempted defence of bigotry by citing religion as justification. Stating that some use their particular version of just one of the literally hundreds of different religions found around the world, as justification for bigotry and prejudice is not attacking their religion. In this country one can believe or not believe in one deity or thousands of gods or none at all but you can not use your specific faith as a defence for discrimination in business or any public place. In your own home, in your place of worship, out of the public eye - FINE, be as racist and prejudiced as you want but not in public places unless you are willing to suffer the consequences, be they legal or financial.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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