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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Just as I am free to no longer support the bigots pushing for ssm and I am free to donate my money to causes that wont use it for their hate filled bull**** like you posted here. Apparentley "tolerance" means you only have to tolerate beliefs that fall in line with yours.
    So people who push for Civil rights are bigots? That makes people like Martin Luther King and the Freedom Marchers in the south and those who died for civil rights for african-americans bigots?

    What is the name of your planet?

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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Oh they "say". This type of **** is getting rediculous. This whole Chick Fil A thing is making this a really ****ty choice for people to have to make. Support religious freedom and the right to free speech vs the right to marry. I value free speech over marriage. Earlier this year there were petitions going around to get Colorado to get our state politicians to review SSM. I signed it and even stood outside king soopers for an hour collecting signatures. I have always voted for ssm when it has been on the Colorado ballot. My wife and I make a yearly donation to GLAAD and cospride.org. The disgusting attitudes of the people on this site and other websites is strongly making me reconsider all of this. Apparently the gay community wants to force people to discriminate based on religion and suppress the right to free speech. I suppose since I don't agree with religious discrimination it would not make sense for me to continue to support these groups. As long as the gay and lesbian community is encouraging people to discriminate I will no longer be supportive of them and I am going to instead donate that money elsewhere and encourage my friends and family to do the same.
    Easy there sweetie. I am not gay so you don't have to remove your support for LGBT causes on account of me. I have trouble believing that you believe so much in free speech that people exercising their free speech to support a boycott is causing you to reconsider human rights that you currently support. Apparently you misunderstand what the "free" in "free speech" means. It doesn't mean "free from consequences in the marketplace".

    In fact, I seriously doubt that you ever did anything for the LGBT cause if some anonymous people on the internet are going to cause you to rethink your value system. I think you are being a poe about this. You try to pretend that Cathy's company is being boycotted for saying, "I'm a Christian." That simply isn't true. You are being willfully ignorant if you think that me calling Cathy a bigot is calling all Christians bigots.
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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    While they don't own the company, Jim Henson's five children do run the company. Disney owns the rights and trademarks to the Muppets. You can look it up even.

    I'm sure you can show me the press release where the Jim Henson Creature Shop has recalled the toys.
    Did YOU look it up? The Henson's do not own the Muppets any longer. Here's from the wiki:

    After earlier unsuccessful attempts, the Walt Disney Company bought the Muppets in 2004.[2] Exceptions include characters appearing on Sesame Street (as they were previously sold to Sesame Workshop, although they have always had creative rights, only reimbursing The Jim Henson Company to create and provide their Muppet characters for their use) and the Fraggles of Fraggle Rock (which are still owned by the Jim Henson Company). The legal trademark on the term "Muppet" is currently held by The Muppets Studio, a wholly owned division of the Walt Disney Company, although Sesame Workshop and the Jim Henson Company continue to occasionally use the term on their characters with certain permissions from Disney.
    As for the toy recall, no one ever said it was a general recall started by Henson or the consumer agencies. It's a he said/she said thing. Chik asserts they withdrew the toys because of problems the day before Lisa made her rant. Anti-Chikers are saying they backdated things.

    I don't care who you believe, though it's obvious you believe Henson's side because you are onboard with her message.
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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    So people who push for Civil rights are bigots? That makes people like Martin Luther King and the Freedom Marchers in the south and those who died for civil rights for african-americans bigots?

    What is the name of your planet?

    and no, I don't tolerate homophobia or racism or anti-semitism.
    Show me where MLK discriminated against people for their religious beliefs
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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Just as I am free to no longer support the bigots pushing for ssm and I am free to donate my money to causes that wont use it for their hate filled bull**** like you posted here. Apparentley "tolerance" means you only have to tolerate beliefs that fall in line with yours.
    Lets see here advocating for legal restrictions on gays is not bigoted yet yet advocating for one's own freedom/rights is bigoted. Simply amazing.
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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    you clearly think that the only way to discriminate against someone is to disagree with their views on marriage.
    No, you can hold whatever ignorant opinion you want. When you give millions of dollars lobbying for policies that treat one group of people differently, that's discrimination.

    That is simply not the case. As long GLAAD and their supporters continue to discriminate against people based on their religious beliefs I will not support them or their causes.
    Is it discriminating against the religious beliefs of the Westboro Baptist Church for GLAAD to say that they're full of crap, and to not buy from businesses associated with them? Or does your alleged "religious tolerance" only extend to bigots of relatively mainstream religions like Dan Cathy?

    If SSM makes its way back to Colorado this bigotry has lost at least one vote and if I can help it more. I am going to strongly advocate against GLAAD and cospride.org until they stop this nonsensical attack on a man for no reason other than his religious beliefs.
    Do you also support bringing back segregation and Jim Crow Laws, in retaliation for the political views held by some blacks whom you disagree with?
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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    Easy there sweetie. I am not gay so you don't have to remove your support for LGBT causes on account of me. I have trouble believing that you believe so much in free speech that people exercising their free speech to support a boycott is causing you to reconsider human rights that you currently support. Apparently you misunderstand what the "free" in "free speech" means. It doesn't mean "free from consequences in the marketplace".

    In fact, I seriously doubt that you ever did anything for the LGBT cause if some anonymous people on the internet are going to cause you to rethink your value system. I think you are being a poe about this. You try to pretend that Cathy's company is being boycotted for saying, "I'm a Christian." That simply isn't true. You are being willfully ignorant if you think that me calling Cathy a bigot is calling all Christians bigots.
    Whether you believe it or not is not really relevant. I know what I donate and to who and I know which groups I have volunteered with in my community. And my decision to discontinue my support (if i do take it that far) is not just based on the people on this site. It is people everywhere including this community who are discriminating against this man because of his religious beliefs. It is ignorant. I will be contacting Jillian with cospride and if they support the ignorance and intolerance shown by much of the gay community lately I will cancelling my partnership (it is what they call it) with them.
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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Oh they "say". This type of **** is getting rediculous. This whole Chick Fil A thing is making this a really ****ty choice for people to have to make. Support religious freedom and the right to free speech vs the right to marry. I value free speech over marriage. Earlier this year there were petitions going around to get Colorado to get our state politicians to review SSM. I signed it and even stood outside king soopers for an hour collecting signatures. I have always voted for ssm when it has been on the Colorado ballot. My wife and I make a yearly donation to GLAAD and cospride.org. The disgusting attitudes of the people on this site and other websites is strongly making me reconsider all of this. Apparently the gay community wants to force people to discriminate based on religion and suppress the right to free speech. I suppose since I don't agree with religious discrimination it would not make sense for me to continue to support these groups. As long as the gay and lesbian community is encouraging people to discriminate I will no longer be supportive of them and I am going to instead donate that money elsewhere and encourage my friends and family to do the same.
    You can be for free speech, religious freedom and SSM. However, realize that my right to free speech means that I can call out people who use religion as their excuse to condemn others for what they are. I can't stop them from saying what they want(nor do I want to), I can't stop them worshiping as they want(nor do I want to), but I have every right to call them on their behavior in the name of their religion.
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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Wow this thread has moved a crap ton along since I last came in....

    I'm confused. Muciti. How in the world does supporting SSM make on a "bigot"?

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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You can be for free speech, religious freedom and SSM. However, realize that my right to free speech means that I can call out people who use religion as their excuse to condemn others for what they are. I can't stop them from saying what they want(nor do I want to), I can't stop them worshiping as they want(nor do I want to), but I have every right to call them on their behavior in the name of their religion.
    We all have rights. You have the right to say whatever you'd like. I do not feel like you have the right to discriminate against a person based on his religion, his religious beliefs or his creed.
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