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Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

MaggieD said:
I agree with this. But boycotting by the general public and discrimination by government officials are two very different animals.
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I know this, however, muciti is has taken the stance that people (as indidivuals) shouldn't boycott the company. Not that they can't, but that they shouldn't.
 
TheNextEra said:
I never said it has. However, they as a company speak against SSM. As a company, they will be boycotted by people that strongly disagree with that message.

Tell me, if a CEO said "The company ABC does not believe in interracial marriage", would you then not expect people to boycott said company?
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Again many companies in this country are headed by people with religious values oppose and fund groups who oppose ssm the exact same as Mr. Cathy. The only real difference here is you were told by the leftist media this one was exceptionally bad and got in line. When in reality it is no different. If you were so adament about this you would not support any business that was run by a muslim, christian, catholic, jew, or bahai and many others. But of course some religions are excempt in the eyes of liberals. Its only ok to attack christians. This attack on Christians for their beliefs is my problem.
 
muciti said:
Again many companies in this country are headed by people with religious values oppose and fund groups who oppose ssm the exact same as Mr. Cathy. The only real difference here is you were told by the leftist media this one was exceptionally bad and got in line. When in reality it is no different. If you were so adament about this you would not support any business that was run by a muslim, christian, catholic, jew, or bahai and many others. But of course some religions are excempt in the eyes of liberals. Its only ok to attack christians. This attack on Christians for their beliefs is my problem.
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Sorry, but the reality is that this CEO spoke FOR THE COMPANY. They didn't speak as an individual, they spoke FOR THE COMPANY.

If you can't see the difference between someone speaking as an individual and speaking for the company, I can't help you.
 
TheNextEra said:
Sorry, but the reality is that this CEO spoke FOR THE COMPANY. They didn't speak as an individual, they spoke FOR THE COMPANY.

If you can't see the difference between someone speaking as an individual and speaking for the company, I can't help you.
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Can you show me where he says Chick Fil A's stance on ssm?
 
muciti said:
Can you show me where he says Chick Fil A's stance on ssm?
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From post 737 from the snopes link I posted:

Chick-fil-A is "very much supporting of the family," according to Dan Cathy, president of the popular fast food chain. That is, "the biblical definition of the family unit," he said.

And that doesn't include Adam and Steve, suggests Cathy, whose father S. Truett Cathy founded the Atlanta-based company.
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Like I said, he is speaking for the company AGAINST SSM so people are in their very right to boycott the company.
 
muciti said:
Can you show me where he says Chick Fil A's stance on ssm?
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This is what all the fuss is about:

Some have opposed the company's support of the traditional family. "Well, guilty as charged," said Cathy when asked about the company's position.

"We are very much supportive of the family -- the biblical definition of the family unit. We are a family-owned business, a family-led business, and we are married to our first wives. We give God thanks for that.

"We operate as a family business ... our restaurants are typically led by families; some are single. We want to do anything we possibly can to strengthen families. We are very much committed to that," Cathy emphasized.

"We intend to stay the course," he said. "We know that it might not be popular with everyone, but thank the Lord, we live in a country where we can share our values and operate on biblical principles."
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As to the bolded statement? Apparently notsomuch.
 
TheNextEra said:
From post 737 from the snopes link I posted:



Like I said, he is speaking for the company AGAINST SSM so people are in their very right to boycott the company.
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"The people" can boycott against any damned thing they choose. You're arguing a point no one is arguing.
 
MaggieD said:
This is what all the fuss is about:
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Actually no it isn't. I already posted the snopes link in post 737 and included the bolded of the problem statement.
 
MaggieD said:
"The people" can boycott against any damned thing they choose. You're arguing a point no one is arguing.
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Like I said before muciti was arguing that people shouldn't boycott them. My posts have mostly been replies to muciti's statements and questions.
 
muciti said:
No your problem is his religion and the media telling you its a problem otherwise you would be more consistent.
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No, it isn't. Again I have stated what my problem is, he is speaking for the company on values I don't agree with. You don't understand that and that isn't my problem. I have provided the statements and included the links that you choose to ignore. The problem isn't mine the problem is yours.

I, and my family, will continue to boycott them. Deal with it.
 
muciti said:
Can you show me where he says Chick Fil A's stance on ssm?
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from the original piece that started Chick-fil-A's problems on the site of the Biblical Recorder
Some have opposed the company’s support of the traditional family. “Well, guilty as charged,” said Cathy when asked about this opposition.

“We are very much supportive of the family – the biblical definition of the family unit. We are a family-owned business, a family-led business, and we are married to our first wives. We give God thanks for that.
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Another interesting statement by Dan T. Cathy was in regards to the college football game once known as the Peach Bowl, now called the Chick-fil-A Bowl
15 years ago the Chick-fil-A organization got involved. It was rebranded as the Chick-fil-A Bowl and has been incredibly successful, second only to the BCS championship.

“We are the only bowl that has an invocation. It’s in our agreement that if Chick-fil-A is associated in this, there’s going to be an invocation. Also, we don’t have our bowl on Sunday, either,” Cathy pointed out.
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Aren't the dominionists nice people? Never mind that a substantial number of the attendees might not be Christian and the possibility of non-xian players on either team, they will have to put up with just more religious ceremony that they may not like just so they can watch or play in a sports event.

Another fine example of those with the wealth imposing their personal values on the rest of us.
 
Billy the Kid said:
The mayor is using his position to bully this guy, IMO.
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Once again, completely nonresponsive.

Do you acknowledge the FACT (not opinion, not feeling, not impression) that no one is telling (with or without force of law) the CFA owner to whom or what he can (MAY, actually) or can't (MAY NOT) donate money?

YES

or

NO
 
TheNextEra said:
No, it isn't. Again I have stated what my problem is, he is speaking for the company on values I don't agree with. You don't understand that and that isn't my problem. I have provided the statements and included the links that you choose to ignore. The problem isn't mine the problem is yours.

I, and my family, will continue to boycott them. Deal with it.
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Then you and your family are bigots. Deal with it. But you have the right to be intolerant.
 
muciti said:
Then you and your family are bigots. Deal with it. But you have the right to be intolerant.
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Therefore it is your opinion that opposing bigotry makes one a bigot? Right, got it now, we are operating in opposite world with rules written by Calvin and Hobbes
 
muciti said:
Then you and your family are bigots. Deal with it. But you have the right to be intolerant.
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I tend to agree with that assessment. How can one expect tolerance of alternate views if one isn't tolerant themselves? It's hypocritical to the max.

big·ot   [big-uht]
noun
a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.
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ChickFilA, on the other hand, doesn't fit that definition at all.
 
muciti said:
Then you and your family are bigots. Deal with it. But you have the right to be intolerant.
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Insults are the last desperation of someone that has lost the debate. Enjoy, I'm done debating this with you as you can only insult when I have patiently explained my reasons to you without using insults.
 
Somerville said:
Therefore it is your opinion that opposing bigotry makes one a bigot? Right, got it now, we are operating in opposite world with rules written by Calvin and Hobbes
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Where did this CEO express bigotry? Look up the definition -- or read it in my above post. The CEO talked about what they believed and went on to say that his company treated every one of its customers with dignity and respect. That is not bigotry. That is religious dogma.
 
MaggieD said:
I tend to agree with that assessment. How can one expect tolerance of alternate views if one isn't tolerant themselves? It's hypocritical to the max.



ChickFilA, on the other hand, doesn't fit that definition at all.
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Riiiiiiight, so let me get this straight. People that are for SSM are using their free-speech rights by boycotting Chik-fil-A and are bigots. Yet, chik-fil-A who holds the stance against SSM and donates as a company to organizations that actively fight SSM are not intolerant.

Well feel free to believe that, it doesn't change my stance any yet it does show how you resort to insults.
 
MaggieD said:
That is not bigotry. That is religious dogma.
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Are you saying religious dogma cannot be bigotry? It was held in many churches that interracial marriage should not be allowed. That is a stance that is considered bigoted today.
 
I think there's a huge difference here between opposing an "entire religion" and merely opposing a "certain belief of a religion." I don't think Chick-Fil-A is being opposed because it's leadership is Christian, but because it supports opposition to SSM. It is perfectly within the rights of Chick-Fil-A to oppose a right afforded to everyone else, but then it's also within other people's rights to oppose that effort to deny rights.
 
MaggieD said:
ChickFilA, on the other hand, doesn't fit that definition at all.
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Of course not, given that Chick-Fil-A IS NOT A PERSON, and thus can't feel any way (good or bad) towards a given group of people.

Also, the definition of bigotry at hand is incomplete. The core of bigotry is exceptionalist causality (believing that cause and effect work one way for X group, and some other way for non-X groups)...this exceptionalism need not be expressed in directly negative terms...equivalent supremacisms (positive exceptionalisms) can be obviously bigoted while never making a negative statement.
 
TheNextEra said:
Are you saying religious dogma cannot be bigotry? It was held in many churches that interracial marriage should not be allowed. That is a stance that is considered bigoted today.
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Okay, let's calm down here. You are right. Religious dogma can most certainly be bigotry. Where I'm going with this is that people who choose to boycott ChickFilA because its CEO expressed a belief in family values and traditional marriage are intolerant of his right to have religious beliefs that are not intolerant in any way.

Do I really think you're a bigot? No. But in this particular situation, I think you have a bigoted view of this guy's right to believe in the Bible. What's that about? How tolerant is that? You become what you accuse him of being? Yes? And if he did what you propose? If he said, "Our company doesn't sell to people who are in a SSM!!" Then he would be a bigot. But he doesn't say that. At all.
 
I would have no problem with Mr. Cathy donating money in HIS name, from HIS pay check to any organization he chooses. But he donates money in the name of CFA, from CFA profits to organizations that actively seek to deny American citizens equal rights.
That means that CFA, not Mr. Cathy, is supporting this cause.

The government (mayors etc.) have no legal standing to deny business licensing. Which is the way it should be.
 
MaggieD said:
Okay, let's calm down here. You are right. Religious dogma can most certainly be bigotry. Where I'm going with this is that people who choose to boycott ChickFilA because its CEO expressed a belief in family values and traditional marriage are intolerant of his right to have religious beliefs that are not intolerant in any way.

Do I really think you're a bigot? No. But in this particular situation, I think you have a bigoted view of this guy's right to believe in the Bible. What's that about? How tolerant is that? You become what you accuse him of being? Yes? And if he did what you propose? If he said, "Our company doesn't sell to people who are in a SSM!!" Then he would be a bigot. But he doesn't say that. At all.
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The CFA guy advocates for legalized discrimination against gays. That is bigotry.
 
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