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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Business owners have the right to hold opinions, and shouldn't be punished by fools like Rahm. Also, businesses can be boycotted and business owners can severe ties if they wish, whether over opinions or not. It's a free country.

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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You know, I've heard that one before ("Usually, our constitutions expand liberties, they don't contract them"). It seems to fall flat considering the changes and interpretations made to the federal Constitution since the beginning. Most I think have been restrictions on ennumerated rights, especially SCOTUS interpretations. Is there a right listed in the Bill of Rights that hasn't been further restricted over the course of time?
    I don't think describing it as "expanding" liberties is the best explanation.

    However, I would say that the majority of new amendments, and all the old amendments, were aimed at protecting people from the GOVERNMENT intervening IN their lives.

    1st - Limits government intervention into speech, religion, etc
    2nd - Limits government intervention into bearing arms
    3rd - Limits government use of ones home
    4th - Limits government invading your property/person
    5th - 8th - Limits the government in how they can legally judge and punish youyou
    9th - Limits the government in general from infringing upon other rights not stated
    10th - Limits the government in what powers it can do

    The entire bill of rights generally is limiting what the government can do to it's people through variou fashions

    11th - First one limiting citizens instead of the government. Limits individuals ability to file suit against a state
    12th - Changes the structure of how the government is formed, which is inherently a limiting nature on the government (limiting it to being done in a certain rules oriented way rather than simply whoever can take control gets control)
    13th - Limiting the rights of people to own other people
    14th - Limit's the government from discriminating against classes of people and can classify people as citizens
    15th - Limits how government can deny voting rights to people OR bestows rights upon individuals who previously didn't have any
    16th - Ding Ding Ding, first one that really bestows additional power unto the federal government
    17th - Re-arranges the rules of the constitution, which again are inherently limiting of government
    18th - Third one that is unquestionably removing rights from individuals with no other argument that can be made regarding it
    19th - Again, either limiting the governments ability to discriminate OR bestowing a new right to a group that didn't have it prevoiusly
    20th - Another limit of government by tweaking how government works
    21st - Removal of the 18th, bringing us back to only two amendment clearly denying rights to citizens as a whole.
    22nd - Limits government by limiting how long a President can remain in power
    23rd - Changes the way the government constitutional works
    24th - Limiting of government in restricting peoples vote
    25th - Another governmental structure amendment
    26th - Like the other voting ones...either limits discrimination regarding voting or bestows upon a group a right they previously didn't enjoy
    27th - Government structure again

    There are only two amendments that clearly aim at doing nothing but removing the rights of individuals, and one of those got repealed. There is one, the slavery amendment, which can be argued simultaneously gave people right and took rights away from others.

    By and large, Constitutional Amendments are used to limit the government or structure the govenrment.

    The gay marriage amendment would be like a quasi mix of the 13th and the voting amendments.

    It's similar to the 13th in the sense that it's removing the possability of doing something under the law from a group of individuals. For the 13th, it was removing the ability for them to legally own another human being. For the proposed amendment, it would be removing the ability of homosexuals to marry someone else. In terms of the similarity to the voting amendment....the new amendment, in terms of defining it JUST as a man or woman...would be bestowing a new right upon an particular group of people.

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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You know, I've heard that one before ("Usually, our constitutions expand liberties, they don't contract them"). It seems to fall flat considering the changes and interpretations made to the federal Constitution since the beginning. Most I think have been restrictions on ennumerated rights, especially SCOTUS interpretations. Is there a right listed in the Bill of Rights that hasn't been further restricted over the course of time?
    Not to mention things like the Patriot Act.
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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Well I am off work and going to go round up the kids and invite some friends and go support my local chick fil a. i think i'll even get some breakfast tomorrow morning.
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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Well I am off work and going to go round up the kids and invite some friends and go support my local chick fil a. i think i'll even get some breakfast tomorrow morning.
    What about the kids' mom?
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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Well I am off work and going to go round up the kids and invite some friends and go support my local chick fil a. i think i'll even get some breakfast tomorrow morning.
    You're gonna go support a chain that openly and knowingly lies?
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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    SO when he said inhis own words that he didn't support SSM, he was lying? Is that your opinion?
    Of course he was. Did anyone seriously believe that Obama objected to gay marriage in 2008?
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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Why don't you give an example of what you are tlking about?
    A couple quickies off the top of my head. The Brady Bill, which restricts Second Amendment rights has been upheld by the courts as constitutional. That's a contraction of the second. The First Amendment has been restricted in all sorts of ways since the Constitution had been signed.

    Once again, I don't see where any amendment has been free from some contraction. The Tenth definitely.
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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    SO when he said inhis own words that he didn't support SSM, he was lying? Is that your opinion?
    Obama went on the record supporting gay marraige in 1996 while running for the Illinois state senate. He flipped on that position when he ran for the US Senate because he thought it would hurt his national ambitions. The answer to your question is yes, he was definitely lying.
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    Re: Muppets owner Lisa Henson severs ties with Chick-Fil-A over SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    You're gonna go support a chain that openly and knowingly lies?
    i dont know about that but holy crap is it packed in here. it makes me feel good to see so many support free speech and not be influenced by the bigots attempting to hurt their business.
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