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Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

CriticalThought said:
What did the "gay lobby" have to do with Brad Pitt's mom's letter?

The whole thing will be forgotten within a couple weeks. Just watch this thread fade into oblivion. It isn't any different than how the World Trade Center Mosque story dissipated from public view once midterm elections were over.
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They got riled up out in Hollywood. Perez Hilton and his NoH8 movement, the Hollywood Reporter, a few others. The poor woman was villified and threatened and withdrew into seclusion. The bullying behavior by those who allegedly abhor bullies worked rather well. I'm sure she's learned to keep her mouth shut and only read from the script from here on out. And what a wuss her son Brad is. Not a word in her defence.
 
jerry7 said:
They got riled up out in Hollywood. Perez Hilton and his NoH8 movement, the Hollywood Reporter, a few others. The poor woman was villified and threatened and withdrew into seclusion. The bullying behavior by those who allegedly abhor bullies worked rather well. I'm sure she's learned to keep her mouth shut and only read from the script from here on out. And what a wuss her son Brad is. Not a word in her defence.
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I just have to say: just because she's his mother doesn't mean his an obligation to defend her every position if he doesn't agree with it.
 
zgoldsmith23 said:
I just have to say: just because she's his mother doesn't mean his an obligation to defend her every position if he doesn't agree with it.
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I agree, he definitely doesn't have to defend her views or opinions. However, a plea to the gay community which apparently adores him, for civility towards his mother was certainly warranted.
 
jerry7 said:
I agree, he definitely doesn't have to defend her views or opinions. However, a plea to the gay community which apparently adores him, for civility towards his mother was certainly warranted.
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No it's not. He doesn't have to defend her.
 
zgoldsmith23 said:
No it's not. He doesn't have to defend her.
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LOL. She's his MOTHER! He doesn't HAVE to call off the dogs, but I think I'm safe in saying that just about any dutiful son would. He is definitely a wuss.
 
jerry7 said:
LOL. She's his MOTHER! He doesn't HAVE to call off the dogs, but I think I'm safe in saying that just about any dutiful son would. He is definitely a wuss.
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He's a grown man. If he doesn't want to, he doesn't have to. He has no moral obligation if she's going to go against something he likes. My mother could like X, doesn't mean I have to defend her against X-supporters.
 
alright lemme explain this again,the 14th amendment prevents discrimination without due process of law.supporting an opposing view point is not against due process of law.the 14th amendment allows forthe interest of the state,blocking anyone who doesnt agree with politician is not in the interests of the state,as seen by aclu lawsuits in the past for similiar discrimination.

corporations areviewed as people under court ruling and the 14th amendment,therefor the first and fourteenth amendment applyu to them.therefore every single argument made by liberals has been founded on emotion and not LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!this same principle applies to the mosque on ground zero and any other discrimination forbusiness not based off facts towards business itself.

example i could deny chick fil a for the reason too many restaurants were around,i couldnt deny them for political beliefs,unless they refused to hire minority,gay,etc who were qualified.this is how the law works,not the law works unless i feel it shouldnt because my point of view is supreme hitler style and everyone elses is inferior.
 
Minister Louis Farrahkan reopens his Chicago restaurant

Louis Farrahkan
July 12, 2012
By: Wendell Hutson

The popular Salaam restaurant on Chicago’s South Side reopened on July 1 after closing more than a decade ago and is expected to boost economic development for poor, minority communities.

On June 27 Minster Louis Farrahkan, leader of the Nation of Islam, met with clergy and religious leaders at the $5 million renovated Salaam to discuss among other things the rebirth of the restaurant.

Minister Louis Farrahkan reopens his Chicago restaurant - Chicago CIty Hall | Examiner.com
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Ya gotta love it. Chick-fil-a is bashed over it's anti gay donations and they are criminals and unwelcome in Chicago. Islamic countries like Iran put to death gays and they are totally in line with Chicago values. Simply amazing! Guess we know where Rhambone really stands.
 
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Am I the only one who realizes that Rahm Emmanuel doesn't actually care about "Chicago values" (LOL)? He just wanted publicity and praise from this. He didn't do this for any actual principles.
 
CriticalThought said:
As I said, they will get their restaurant. It's all political posturing. Once the issue is out of the spotlight the politicians will relent. Business as usual in Chicago.
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Irrelevant, you do not posture by threatening to do something that the government should not be doing. The fact that Chic-Fil-A donates to groups who support conversion therapy and claims pedophiles are mostly gay makes the company one I do not want to do business with, but the government can't deny them simply because they are stupid and vile. The owner has every right to say stupid **** like "I think we’re inviting God’s judgment when we shake our fist at him, you know, (saying), ‘We know better than you as to what constitutes a marriage.’ And I pray on God’s mercy on our generation that has such a prideful, arrogant attitude to think that we would have the audacity to try and redefine what marriage is all about" and there is nothing the government should do about it.

People on the other hand can react. We can not buy his products, we can call him out for being an asshole, we can encourage people to not buy his products. The difference is the government vs people.
 
poweRob said:
Once again I find it hilarious to watch people lodge a free speech complaint via complaining about what someone else said. Does not the Rahm get free speech rights too?
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sure, but he's also a govt official, and made allusions to distorting the licensing process to punish a company over it's political views. Hence the problem, and correct assertions about it being an attack on the free exercise of political speech

“Chick-fil-A values are not Chicago values,” said Mayor Rahm Emanuel in a statement to the Chicago Tribune. “They disrespect our fellow neighbors and residents.”
Emanuel was vowing his support for Alderman Proco Moreno’s announcement that he would block construction of a Chick-fil-A restaurant in his district.
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Dr. Chuckles said:
sure, but he's also a govt official, and made allusions to distorting the licensing process to punish a company over it's political views. Hence the problem, and correct assertions about it being an attack on the free exercise of political speech
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One of the functions of being a public official is to be (at least seen as a) guardian of the law and the benefits of being a citizen of this country. Free speech falls into that category. This is the same reasoning that leads us to things like prohibitions against uniformed soldiers lobbying for a cause. In certain aspects of life, government officials should appear to be neutral in their official capacity.

However, in any official capacity, such as in a fund raiser or talking to their friend, they should be seen as private citizens and have the benefits of what they (should in their capacity) seek to protect.

This is how I judge these types of matters at least, others may disagree with my methods.

In this case and context, I find what the government of Chicago is doing to be unethical. If they want to lead a private boycott or something like that, more power to them, but they shouldn't do this sort of thing while on the clock so to speak.
 
Define "Chicago Values". I grew up in that crime drenched toilet under the iron fist rule of Richard J. Daley, "The Pig". Like him if your opinion doesn't match his you should be forced to leve the country. The political left in America will not tolearate any opinions other than their own much like Stalin and Mao.
 
Top Cat said:
Meanwhile, some companies think differently.


Amazon CEO gives $2.5M for Wash. gay marriage law | Local News | The Seattle Times

Cue up the outrage from the religious right whack jobs.
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Everyone's entitled to their opinion. That's what makes this country better than all the rest. Doesn't matter if you agree with their opinion or not, you get to have one.

I think Bezos is a douche. So is Rahm.

And on topic, there already is a Chick-Fil-A in Chicago. Are they planning on yanking their business license for that franchise, or is this entire event just a big pile of grandstanding cowpie?
 
Samhain said:
Everyone's entitled to their opinion. That's what makes this country better than all the rest. Doesn't matter if you agree with their opinion or not, you get to have one.

I think Bezos is a douche. So is Rahm.

And on topic, there already is a Chick-Fil-A in Chicago. Are they planning on yanking their business license for that franchise, or is this entire event just a big pile of grandstanding cowpie?
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I'm going to have to say yes to the bold. It's obvious, isn't it?
 
Top Cat said:
Meanwhile, some companies think differently.


Amazon CEO gives $2.5M for Wash. gay marriage law | Local News | The Seattle Times

Cue up the outrage from the religious right whack jobs.
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not sure what point you are trying to make, but I hardly see the benefit of using people you call "religious whackjobs" as a justification for your own behavior, or those you identify with. Nor am I sure how individuals getting up in arms over something stupid justifies the state repressing religious/political opinion.

But I guess as long as you can wave about the right wing boogey man, you don't have to actually analyze your own
 
Lokiate said:
I'm going to have to say yes to the bold. It's obvious, isn't it?
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even the mere threat carries withit a chilling effect, that shouldn't be supported, or excused, by anyone
 
jerry7 said:
I'm not from Chicago and don't know the power of a city alderman there but the link I provided is to the Chicago Tribune Business section and I assume they know how things work there. According to the Tribune "aldermanic privlege" exists and Moreno has the power to block it. It will only be built if his demands are met.
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Chicago Alderman Joe Moreno says the door isn’t entirely closed on a new Chick-fil-A restaurant opening in his 1st ward.

Moreno told WBEZ that the owners seeking to build the restaurant have said they won’t support any groups with a political agenda, including those with an anti-gay marriage stance.

Moreno says if he gets an explicit guarantee from the franchise owner he will consider granting zoning rights to a new Chick-fil-A in Logan Square
Ald. Joe Moreno open to talks on new Chick-fil-A in Logan Square | WBEZ 91.5 Chicago
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Basically, he's now backtracking. He's trying to make the political aspect more generic and 'even', with the old "traffic issues" stand-by thrown in for good measure.

His backtracking implies that ALL political views are unwelcome as they "won’t support any groups with a political agenda, including those with an anti-gay marriage stance."... key word: "any"... so one has to wonder if he will also oppose the groups listed below who DO openly support SSM.


CriticalThought said:
Corporations that openly support Same Sex Marriage....

Amazon
Apple
Electronic Arts
Ford
General Mills
General Motors
Goldman Sachs
Google
Home Depot
IBM
JC Penny
Kraft Foods
McDonalds
Microsoft
Nike
Pepsi
Proctor and Gamble
Sears
Starbucks
Target
United Airlines
Walgreens
The Walt Disney Company
Wells Fargo

Corporations that openly oppose Same Sex Marriage...

Chick-fil-A


That should say enough right there.
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Did Chick Fil-A bear false witness again using "Abby Farle"? :rofl
 
Thorgasm said:
Did Chick Fil-A bear false witness again using "Abby Farle"? :rofl
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That's hilarious!

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Reading about Chick-fil-A is making me hungry, I think I will go to Chick-fil-A for lunch.
 
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