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Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

The Civil Rights Act keeps a local government from doing that. There is no similar act that is specific to supporting a political or ideological movement.

besides the entire first amendment
 
Despite the victim mentality, it's not punitive if they never had a business license there to begin with.

again, the act of denying the license, based on their political ideas and speech, would be a form of punishment, for holding those ideas. it's a rather clear, and concise concept.
 
we are talking about the state, not private entities. there is no alternative to the state

No, we are talking about local communities. There is always Oklahoma.
 
besides the entire first amendment

When were the owners of Chick fil A arrested for their views? When were they muzzled by the government? I don't know how the courts would rule on this if it actually went to the federal courts. There are reasonable arguments for both sides of this. However, I would suspect that before this is over the Chick-fi-A folks will wish they had given some money to the ACLU as well.
 
No, we are talking about local communities. There is always Oklahoma.

wait, these permits and licenses are handled by the community and not the govt?
 
I'm sure lots of communities feel that way. This straw man won't work on me.
The question is; Is it legal and just as okay, in your opinion, for a southern town to deny a gay bar the ability to operate, as it seem to be to you for these towns to deny Chick-Fil-A the ability to operate.

And who is the judge of a valid reason to deny a business permit?
I'm going to go out on a limb here.......A Judge?
 
When were the owners of Chick fil A arrested for their views?

arrest isn't the only form of punishment


When were they muzzled by the government?

if and when they are denied a permit based on the content of their political speech


I don't know how the courts would rule on this if it actually went to the federal courts.

uhh, the courts view the first as sacrosanct. They aren't going to rip it apart because of people advocating anti-gay positions

There are reasonable arguments for both sides of this.

only if you don't understand the value of free speech
 
and there is the 64,000 dollar question.

a racist would feel that "because he is black" is a valid reason

an atheist might feel that "because he is a christian" is a valid reason

which is why I feel that, unless the business is conducting illegal activity, they should not be denied a license.

And yet they are denied every day for mulitudes of reasons.
 
wait, these permits and licenses are handled by the community and not the govt?

Not the State goverment. Local government.

Issues like this are fun because it turns small government conservatives into Federalists. :lol:
 
If a business is truly not in keeping with the values of a community, wouldn't they go broke quickly?
 
The question is; Is it legal and just as okay, in your opinion, for a southern town to deny a gay bar the ability to operate, as it seem to be to you for these towns to deny Chick-Fil-A the ability to operate.

Bars are more difficult to get approved as it is easy for a community to cap the number of liquor licenses they will allow.

I'm going to go out on a limb here.......A Judge?

Pro tip: If you have to sue to get a license, you probably chose the wrong place to open a business. Of course Cathy obviously isn't the smartest businessman.
 
Not the State goverment. Local government.

Issues like this are fun because it turns small government conservatives into Federalists. :lol:

1) I'm not a small govt conservative

2) As far as I am aware the court have always treated any infringement of the first, be it at the local, state, or federal level, the same. So pointing to such a distinction here is totally specious
 
Pro tip: If you have to sue to get a license, you probably chose the wrong place to open a business. Of course Cathy obviously isn't the smartest businessman.

pro-tip: making ****ty business decisions has no bearings on the protection afforded by the first


Bars are more difficult to get approved as it is easy for a community to cap the number of liquor licenses they will allow.

that's limiting commerce, not political speech
 
I'm late to the game here, but I just want to know why all of these "BOYCOTT CHIK-FIL-A!!!!" people didn't choose to boycott the Obama campaign in 2008?
 
I'm late to the game here, but I just want to know why all of these "BOYCOTT CHIK-FIL-A!!!!" people didn't choose to boycott the Obama campaign in 2008?

Well at what point is Obama now and at what point is Chick-A-Fill now?
 
wait, these permits and licenses are handled by the community and not the govt?

they are handled by the city of Chicago... and after looking at the business license application ( which is a shall issue license) i was unable to find a spot to put down the CEOs personal political opinions.

sorry lefties, but political opinions, popular or unpopular, are not grounds for a business license denial... and yes, denying a business license is a direct form of reprisal from the government, especially when it is publicly stated that the license will be denied over protected political speech.
( and to whomever said the city can just put down any old reason, that is false... business license are shall issue, and there has to be a substantiated reason to deny them.... I understand you want the city to lie in order to further your political agenda, but let's not put your severe character flaws into action as policy)

if the city of Chicago were to deny their business license, the corporation would have a very good suit to bring to court, and it would most likely cost the city of Chicago millions.



most likely scenario.. Rahm gets his moment to publicly pander to gay voters as if he really cares... and the business license goes through without a hitch.. the whole thing will be forgotten in short order.
 
Why are you comparing infringement of the 1st amendment to infringement of the non-existent right to a business license?

Dude, seriously??? Throwing a person in jail is not the only way to infringe on a person’s 1st amendment rights. If the government bars you from opening a business because of a political statement that is infringement. If the government bars you from employment for making a political statement, that is infringement. If the government stopped you from buying a residence for making a political statement, that is infringement.

I’m an atheist. My personal belief is it is foolish to believe in a god. I am open about that belief. If I open a restaurant, people are completely in their right to avoid eating there because the owner is a “Godless heathen”. But you know what? The GOVERNMENT has NO right to stop be from opening it for my belief, or lack thereof. And for the same reason, they have no right to do so in the Chik-fil-A case either.

What about your beliefs or political opinions? If any of them rub your local leadership the wrong way should they be able to bar you from opening a business? Or is it just OK for opinions you disagree with?
 
I'm late to the game here, but I just want to know why all of these "BOYCOTT CHIK-FIL-A!!!!" people didn't choose to boycott the Obama campaign in 2008?


lack of principles with a dash of political hypocrisy thrown in for taste.

1st rule in politics, it's only bad when the other guys do it.
 
If a business is truly not in keeping with the values of a community, wouldn't they go broke quickly?

yeah.. but they are hawking chicken on a biscuit.... folks don't generally care about values when buying chicken on a biscuit.

those who do worry about values when buying chicken on a biscuit are too culturally sensitive and probably should lock themselves in their closet at home, for their own protection.
 
Bars are more difficult to get approved as it is easy for a community to cap the number of liquor licenses they will allow.
That's well and good but I asked how YOU felt about it. You seem completely okay and are defending these towns refusing Chick-Fil-A because the company isn't "Keeping their values". I will ask again...
Is it legal and just as okay, in your opinion, for a southern town to deny a gay bar (or gay apparel shop, TV specialty shop etc) the ability to operate, as it seem to be to you for these towns to deny Chick-Fil-A the ability to operate.

Of course Cathy obviously isn't the smartest businessman.

1.5 Billions Smart
 
Well at what point is Obama now and at what point is Chick-A-Fill now?

Unless you're claiming that Obama voters were clairvoyant and knew that he'd flip flop on the topic of gay marriage, then your question is irrelevant.
 
I'm late to the game here, but I just want to know why all of these "BOYCOTT CHIK-FIL-A!!!!" people didn't choose to boycott the Obama campaign in 2008?

Obama didnt donate money to organizations that oppose SSM as far as I know.
 
Obama didnt donate money to organizations that oppose SSM as far as I know.

He was the Presidential nominee and opposed SSM. A much more powerful position than throwing some dollars at an opposition group.
 
Obama didnt donate money to organizations that oppose SSM as far as I know.

I would think being an elected official and opposing SSM would be worse than giving money to an organization that opposes SSM. The elected official can actually do something about SSM. Just my opinion.
 
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