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Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

Hatuey said:
Since when are business licenses covered under freedom of speech? Chick-fil-A could be denied a license under any excuse and it wouldn't make one bit of a difference.
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its not covered under freedom of speech,its covered undeer anti discrimination laws going back to right after the civil war.
 
specklebang said:
Jesus H. ****ing Christ On A Crutch. I asked you a simple question and you evade answering it. Who are you to tell me what I think? Answer the question and I'll answer your question. If you can't demonstrate that much common courtesy then I agree - we have nothing to discuss.

<<specklebang shakes his fist at wake>>
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With respect, I already stated why I did not answer your comments...

"Exactly like Nabisco and Target. Remind me of what Nabisco and Target are shaking fists at though. I really don't remember. They'll lose my business as soon as I see their fist."
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...because you have already made it clear that it's not alright for a business owner to not support gay marriage. Not liking to waste time with truly unfair notions, I'm not going to answer that comment. In my opinion I think all business owners ought to have their non-violent opinions without fear of punishment. You seem to disagree with this.
 
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digsbe said:
Let me guess "There are some groups that I think spread misinformation about homosexuality and therefore they are a hate group. Group X also defines them as a hate group."

Like I compared earlier, would you support a city banning Target solely because Target supports SSM and sells pro-homosexual merchandise? From what I see they want to keep Chick Fil A out because they do not represent a city's "values" and not that they support "hate groups."
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Dumb. If an organization were funding the KKK or NeoNazis then you wouldn't be jumping to compare it to an organization that supports same sex marriage...at least I hope you wouldn't.

The only reason you hold this position is because you are not informed. You don't know what kind of lies and hatred the FRC has spread over the years. How often their lies are quoted by politicians and media figures.

Nope. I refuse to debate this issue with someone who has no idea what they are talking about. I'm simply pointing out that comparing an organization that supports hate groups to one that supports same sex marriage is ridiculous at best. If you want to open a debate on why it is a hate group, then feel free. I would love to go page by page with ya on things the FRC has said, because I know oh so very well that I will win that debate and you will feel like an idiot for even starting it once you are informed.
 
OscarB63 said:
ho·mo·pho·bi·a   [hoh-muh-foh-bee-uh] Show IPA
noun
unreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality.



but, of course, to you and yours any fear or antipathy towards homosexuals is unreasoning :shrug:
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Thats probably because it is.
 
Hatuey said:
Since when are business licenses covered under freedom of speech? Chick-fil-A could be denied a license under any excuse and it wouldn't make one bit of a difference. It's really funny that all the usual suspects are coming out to swing for unapologetically bigoted people with their usual excuse of political correctness. It's the right's own little version of the race card.
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Hey, if you're cool with putting blacks out of work, let's close all Chic-fil-A's in Chicago.
 
beerftw said:
its not covered under freedom of speech,its covered undeer anti discrimination laws going back to right after the civil war.
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Sure. Which laws? Bring them up. :)
 
Miguel17 said:
Yes. Shame on Nabisco for their support of gay pride, which is nonpolitical. Shame on Target for their radical societal position that gay people exist and may want to buy greeting cards.
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So you support businesses that support gays but find it perfectly OK for a mayor to exclude one from a city because of a different point of view on marriage? (Not to mention the business has discriminated against no one while reflecting their views)

The only word I can think of is hypocrite.
 
Wake said:
Do you think people who don't support gay marriage are stupid?
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No. I work with and respect lots of people who don't support SSM and their opinions are there own.

However, people who give money to deceitful groups that spread lies about gays and have little concern for how those lies affect the lives of gay people, are pretty stupid. Especially when they are purported to support "Christian" and "family" values. Since when are those values best represented by deceit and reckless disregard?
 
Wake said:
I don't think people are stupid for the opinions they hold.
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Oh, no. They're stupid because they hold those opinions. If a person believes in 3000 year old islamo-judeo-christo-voodoo mysticism and uses it to guide their life, they are for all intended purposes stupid and anachronistic. End of story.
 
Miguel17 said:
You don't see a difference between people who are trying to prevent others from marrying, and those who are taking pride in themselves for being themselves? That's the difference. Gay pride parades don't take away anyone's rights or liberties. People who want to prevent gays from marrying are either taking away someone else's rights, or trying to prevent them from getting them (depending upon which state you live in.

I assume you would see the difference between a supporters of a black pride parade, and those who want to take away blacks' rights to marry whites.

EDIT: I also find interesting your assumption that all Christians oppose SSM, and all those who oppose SSM are Christian.
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all I see is that you have your knickers in a twist over this because, and only because, it is one of your pet issues.

as long as chik-fil-a isn't doing anything illegal, this is a non-issue.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1060726600 said:
So you support businesses that support gays but find it perfectly OK for a mayor to exclude one from a city because of a different point of view on marriage? (Not to mention the business has discriminated against no one while reflecting their views)

The only word I can think of is hypocrite.
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Before you call names, you should go back and actually read my posts. I'm not defending what the mayor of Boston wants to do on moral ground. I haven't been saying it's a great thing. I've been discussing it's legality, which is hardly an indisputable point.
 
CriticalThought said:
Dumb. If an organization were funding the KKK or NeoNazis then you wouldn't be jumping to compare it to an organization that supports same sex marriage...at least I hope you wouldn't.

The only reason you hold this position is because you are not informed. You don't know what kind of lies and hatred the FRC has spread over the years. How often their lies are quoted by politicians and media figures.

Nope. I refuse to debate this issue with someone who has no idea what they are talking about. I'm simply pointing out that comparing an organization that supports hate groups to one that supports same sex marriage is ridiculous at best. If you want to open a debate on why it is a hate group, then feel free. I would love to go page by page with ya on things the FRC has said, because I know oh so very well that I will win that debate and you will feel like an idiot for even starting it once you are informed.
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The KKK and NeoNazis hate minorities and Jews. The FRC condemns homosexual acts and believes that homosexual behavior is unhealthy and damaging to the individual. You can disagree with their studies, but I see no evidence that they hate homosexual individuals and on their website they say that sympathy should be shown and that homosexuals should be helped out of that lifestyle. You can certainly strongly disagree with them, but this isn't an issue of hate nor can they be rationally compared to the KKK or NeoNazis. It's not rational to call them a hate group and I largely suspect they are branded as such because people impose their irrational bias and their desire to believe that FRC is a hate group because it's fueled by their illogical and unfair desire to "demonize the enemy." The Wesboro morons are a hate group, the FRC is not.

You could also address my original question though. Would you support city governments legally banning Target stores solely because Target supports SSM and sells pro-homosexual merchandise and the city's argument is that "Target does not reflect our values"?
 
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OscarB63 said:
all I see is that you have your knickers in a twist over this because, and only because, it is one of your pet issues.

as long as chik-fil-a isn't doing anything illegal, this is a non-issue.
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Since you have nothing to say but referring to my knickers metaphorically and calling this a non-issue, I have to assume you concede my point. For which you have my thanks.
 
OscarB63 said:
all I see is that you have your knickers in a twist over this because, and only because, it is one of your pet issues.

as long as chik-fil-a isn't doing anything illegal, this is a non-issue.
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You can call them stupid and bigotted, and you don't have to eat there. Otherwise, you're right. :coffeepap
 
CriticalThought said:
No. I work with and respect lots of people who don't support SSM and their opinions are there own.

However, people who give money to deceitful groups that spread lies about gays and have little concern for how those lies affect the lives of gay people, are pretty stupid. Especially when they are purported to support "Christian" and "family" values. Since when are those values best represented by deceit and reckless disregard?
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boo dee frickin who. they spread lies.... but then again...you consider anything that is anti-gay to be a lie.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
Really? What if my opinion is that Mars isn't a planet?
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I would disagree, but have the tact and common courtesy to not deem them stupid.

CriticalThought said:
No. I work with and respect lots of people who don't support SSM and their opinions are there own.

However, people who give money to deceitful groups that spread lies about gays and have little concern for how those lies affect the lives of gay people, are pretty stupid. Especially when they are purported to support "Christian" and "family" values. Since when are those values best represented by deceit and reckless disregard?
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The problem is that you are on one side of the same coin. The beauty of reality is that it is complex, no truths are written in stone, and there will exist groups of people who have differing opinions. You proclaim your opinion is the truth. You cannot know, because it is your opinion. You and your beliefs, the owner of Chick-fil-A and his views... can coexist. Does this business refuse to hire homosexuals? I doubt it. And yes, there do exist certain ideologues with opinions, gasp, that are different than yours that donate their money to groups that share the same views. Let it be. I acknowledge that there are those who donate money towards organizations that have views that oppose mine, but I let it be and accept it, because I'm not so arrogant as to demand others can't have their views, or donate money to them. It's arrogance.
 
Hatuey said:
Oh, no. They're stupid because they hold those opinions. If a person believes in 3000 year old islamo-judeo-christo-voodoo mysticism and uses it to guide their life, they are for all intended purposes stupid and anachronistic. End of story.
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That is your opinion, and a very narrow one at that.
 
digsbe said:
The KKK and NeoNazis hate minorities and Jews. The FRC condemns homosexual acts and believes that homosexual behavior is unhealthy and damaging to the individual. You can disagree with their studies, but I see no evidence that they hate homosexual individuals and on their website they say that sympathy should be shown and that homosexuals should be helped out of that lifestyle. You can certainly strongly disagree with them, but this isn't an issue of hate nor can they be rationally compared to the KKK or NeoNazis. It's not rational to call them a hate group and I largely suspect they are branded as such because people impose their irrational bias and their desire to believe that FRC is a hate group because it's fueled by their illogical and unfair desire to "demonize the enemy." The Wesboro morons are a hate group, the FRC is not.

You could also address my original question though. Would you support city governments legally banning Target stores solely because Target supports SSM and sells pro-homosexual merchandise and the city's argument is that "Target does not reflect our values"?
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Yeah... and the New Black Panther Movement just wants to help white people find the error of their ways. Do you know how ridiculous and condescending you sound when you argue that you have the power to help gay people get fixed? Does your brain even program such information? I mean I get it. But could you imagine the little fit you and other Christians would have if an Atheist group had a camp designed to turn Christians into atheists because they thought their lifestyle - and yes - Christianity IS a lifestyle you choose - was wrong?
 
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Miguel17 said:
Since you have nothing to say but referring to my knickers metaphorically and calling this a non-issue, I have to assume you concede my point. For which you have my thanks.
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you have no point other than to push your hypocritical agenda.
 
Wake said:
That is your opinion, and a very narrow one at that.
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Spare me from your inability to debate and false outrage. I'll wipe the intellectual floor with you and your religion before you're done writing your next post.
 
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