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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    BTW it's a pity I don't like Chik-Fil-A's food, else I would switch all my fast food consumption to them exclusively.
    Really? You'd change your eating habits just to spite someone? Seems kind of silly and counter productive.

    Anyway, I disagree with the actions of these cities. Chik-Fil-A as far as I can tell has no discriminatory practices in the form of not serving or hiring people based on any kind of unjustifiable reason, like skin color or sexuality. It is the right of the business owner, as an individual citizen, and the right of the company, especially after Citizen's United, to engage in political speech even if I personally think their opinions are narrow minded and stupid. If a city wishes to bar a business from operating in their jurisdiction they need better reasons than personal disagreements about politics.

    Operating and owning a business is a not something protected under the 1st amendment, however that's irrelevant.

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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
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    Once again, freedom of speech only matters if you agree with liberal indoctrination.

    Uhhh who is blocking anyones freedom of speech here?


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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Ever since i found out that Chick Filla's owner donates a lot of the companies profits to anti LBJT causes i then immideatly stopped going there about 2.5 years ago. And damn do i miss those shakes.


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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Chicago values are the worst in the country.
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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by Miguel17 View Post
    Well, lest you misinterpret my stance, I'm not sitting here saying that I think Rahm's proposal is a great idea. I disagree with the Chick-fil-A guy's comments to the utmost, but I think this is the wrong way to oppose him. I'm simply talking about the legality of the move, which I think is sound. I think opposing the Mosque was silly, but I know of no evidence that it's illegal.

    Oh, and you accidentally "liked" my last post. Just lettin' you know.
    Couple things, Rahm didn't threaten to withhold licenses to Chik, he just blasted them as bigots and said they'd be a poor investment since Chichagoans wouldn't frequent a bigotted establishment. It was a Ward boss who refuses to license to them in an individual ward. Rahm knows doing so for the city would be a legal loser.

    The Mosque issue isn't analogous. The opposition was private, not government.

    As to legality, the right of the state to discriminate in licensing would easily be trumped by the First amendment at the SCOTUS. This article should give you a guidepost. The court has already decided that corporations have free speech rights, and, as divided as they are, they all agree on one thing, the First trumps everything else.
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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Ever since i found out that Chick Filla's owner donates a lot of the companies profits to anti LBJT causes i then immideatly stopped going there about 2.5 years ago. And damn do i miss those shakes.
    I spent a month in Ft Walton Beach FL on business earlier this year and I ate me some chik-fil-a almost every day. would have been every day but they close on Sundays. I could care ****all about their politics. they make the best chicken sandwich in the business. and as long as they are willing to serve or hire anybody....
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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post

    Uhhh who is blocking anyones freedom of speech here?
    Uhhh, any punishment or action that would work to silence or limit a person's speech or opinion is literally blocking freedom of speech. If you will look at several Supreme Court Cases, you will find this to be true. Government cannot punish a person or a company because of statements or opinions of that person. By not allowing the business to enter this community, the government has punished a person for an opposing opinion.

    Chik fil A could easily sue, and win. But because the owner seems like a moral man, I doubt he will. Ya see, people like him aren't into "forcing" their opinions on people, and they aren't into punishing anyone else who thinks gay marriage is super cool. I agree with his opinion, and I think I'll stop by CFA on my way home this evening and show my support.

    I do business every single day with liberals. I know it's shocking, but there are a few liberal business owners. Despite their messed up social views on a lot of things, they should not be punished for their views and opinions. Boycotting over opinions has to be one of the most childish things I've ever heard of. I don't do business with liberals concerning political and social issues, we simply conduct business, and that's great. You don't have to agree with me to do business with me, and I don't have to agree with you to do business with you. It's business. But with liberals.....everything is personal, which is why they are so intollerant to anyone who disagrees with their social values.

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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    since Chichagoans wouldn't frequent a bigotted establishment.
    they'll pistol whip you over $20 but they won't go to a bigotted fast food joint.
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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    I disagree with Chick-fil-a management on this issue(obviously), but damn they are so good I will gladly ignore my morals to eat a chicken biscuit once a month
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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Couple things, Rahm didn't threaten to withhold licenses to Chik, he just blasted them as bigots and said they'd be a poor investment since Chichagoans wouldn't frequent a bigotted establishment. It was a Ward boss who refuses to license to them in an individual ward. Rahm knows doing so for the city would be a legal loser.

    The Mosque issue isn't analogous. The opposition was private, not government.

    As to legality, the right of the state to discriminate in licensing would easily be trumped by the First amendment at the SCOTUS. This article should give you a guidepost. The court has already decided that corporations have free speech rights, and, as divided as they are, they all agree on one thing, the First trumps everything else.
    You're right, it was the Boston mayor, Menino, that talked about actually banning it. Obviously the Mosque issue is analogous, because the question is whether the government would withhold a license on the basis of First Amendment related beliefs. The opposition is not the element about which we are drawing the analogy, although that would be analogous too as government officials made statements about it. But let's not split hairs.

    I disagree strongly with Citizens United, as do most Americans. It will do terrible damage to our political system, but that's beyond the scope of this thread. Your interpretation of the SCOTUS' decisions, extrapolated to this issue, may mean it would be overturned. But of course it's a moral as well as a legal issue. This thread could go into the anti-SSM comments themselves, which clearly have no moral support. But legality is another issue.
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