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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    Despite what that idiot Romney says, corporations aren't people. A Corporation can't be gay. Only people can.

    The point you people are missing is that a local government has a right to deny a business permit if they feel that the business does not fit in with their values.
    Wouldn't it be great if they got rid of Hooters too?

    Edit: I guess Hooters is gone from Boston, but because of bankruptcy.
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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    No, Cathy is still free to speak his mind. The leaders of communities don't believe Chick Fil-A's values would be a good fit for their community.
    Do you know how many communities wouldn't think a gay night club would be a good fit for the community?

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    If Cathy ran a strip club no one would think twice about a permit being denied based on that freedom of expression.
    Sure they would and I have seen a strip club (well a "novelty" store actually) challenge a denial and win specifically because the city couldn't prove any grounds not to allow the business. Meh, we don't want those here, is evidently not a valid reason to deny a legal business the ability to operate.
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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    the govt would be doing exactly that: looking to punish the company for it's adoption of unpopular ideas
    It's only punishment if they had revoked a previously granted business permit. You don't have an automatic right to a business permit.

    This is like saying that every woman you haven't slept with is punishing you by withholding sex.
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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    Despite what that idiot Romney says, corporations aren't people. A Corporation can't be gay. Only people can.

    The point you people are missing is that a local government has a right to deny a business permit if they feel that the business does not fit in with their values.
    what about selling chicken do you think clashes with the values of chicago? Again, we are not talking about an attempt to to limit the type of commercial activity someone participates in here (selling booze), but taking punitive measures against a company for the political speech of it's owners

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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    Despite what that idiot Romney says, corporations aren't people. A Corporation can't be gay. Only people can.

    The point you people are missing is that a local government has a right to deny a business permit if they feel that the business does not fit in with their values.
    so maybe you would be willing to answer the question hatuey avoids....

    so a local govt has a right to deny a black man a business license because their values state blacks should not own businesses?
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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Wouldn't it be great if they got rid of Hooters too?

    Edit: I guess Hooters is gone from Boston, but because of bankruptcy.
    Hooters has better crab legs than Red Lobster at least.
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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by Miguel17 View Post
    You don't understand. You are mistakenly conflating two separate things. Businesses do not have inalienable rights to open locations within cities. They have to apply for the license. Whichever city official makes that decision is not constitutionally bound to give the license to certain people, he can give it whomever he pleases.
    In the case of Chicago, you would be wrong.

    http://www.amlegal.com/nxt/gateway.dll/Illinois/chicago_il/municipalcodeofchicago?f=templates$fn=default.htm$ 3.0$vid=amlegal:chicago_il

    The mayor shall issue the license unless the business doesn't meet the requirements for a business of that type. There's nothing the requirements for a restaurant that it "share Chicago's values."

    I would hope that's the same in most municipalities. It's rather totalitarian for one guy to disallow you from opening a business just because he feels like it. Is that a construct you'd approve of?
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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    Your analogy fails because not all Christians are anti-gay. I know a gay pastor of two Christian churches.
    Well of course, not all people who work for this chicken joint in question joint are anti-gay either. Regardless, you're punishing Cathy because of her speech, not because of any action she has taken. A municipality can close a strip-club down because its location is inappropriate, doesn't fit in with the values of a community etc., sure...I agree. But you can't shut a chicken joint down because they verbally oppose or support gays, or strip clubs, or chicken or pork or whatever. Some sort of discriminatory action would have to take place on the part of the chicken joint, not just posing an idea for which you disagree.

    The fact manly leftists think this is OK betrays their propensity towards totalitarianism.

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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    It's only punishment if they had revoked a previously granted business permit. You don't have an automatic right to a business permit.
    nope, it would be punishment if it was denied on the basis of their political views.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    This is like saying that every woman you haven't slept with is punishing you by withholding sex.
    we are talking about the state, not private entities. there is no alternative to the state

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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    so maybe you would be willing to answer the question hatuey avoids....

    so a local govt has a right to deny a black man a business license because their values state blacks should not own businesses?
    The Civil Rights Act keeps a local government from doing that. There is no similar act that is specific to supporting a political or ideological movement.
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