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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    Cathy is still free to speak his mind. Cathy isn't a registered voter in Chicago so Rahm Emanuel isn't obligated to represent him.
    no, he isn't free to speak his mind, if the govt took any type of punitive action against him, based on that speech (being free to speak such would necessitate no such punitive action).

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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    The whole concept is complete bull**** and hypocrisy. Any person on he supporting Boston's Mayor would be SCREAMING till their head exploded if a southern state specifically claim that homosexuality is an abomination and were going to not allow a Target to be built in their city. But as is typical liberal style, in this case it supports their agenda so it's okay. No wonder our country is so ****ed up.
    Speaking of Target, They are touted as a gay friendly company but they also support anti gay politicians. That however gets overlooked with a wink and a nod so long as [big corporate] Target keeps the benjamins flowing to the groups that support the gay cause.

    it's not OK to deny a business because it is gay. but it is OK to deny a business because it doesn't like gays
    it's not OK to deny a business because it is minority. but it is OK to deny a business because it does not like minorities

    hypocrisy...what a concept
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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    And can you point me to the amendment where it says you have a right to a business permit anywhere you want?
    Point me the the amendment that states person has a right to be gay. Then realize how silly that statement is.
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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by Romulus View Post
    Cathy isn't running a strip club, so your analogy fails. It would only be accurate if Cathy ran a christian strip-club, and Joe ran a Jewish strip-club...then Cathy runs her mouth about gays so you close her down, yet leave Joe alone because he left his mouth shut.
    Your analogy fails because not all Christians are anti-gay. I know a gay pastor of two Christian churches.
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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    last I checked...chik-fil-a was not a govt employee, so your comparison is invalid. as a member of the military, my free speech is limited in certain circumstances...none of which apply to the average citizen.
    My point was that freedom of expression simply means that you can state your beliefs publicly without fear of government prosecution. It doesn't mean that you cant be fired for it. It doesn't mean that you cant be boycotted for it. It doesn't mean that you can then open a business in a community that does not share your views. As someone else pointed out, communities routinely ban strip clubs and adult video stores. This is despite the fact that both industries are engaging in constitutionally protected freedom of expression.

    Since I am arguing both sides of this to a degree, it would be interesting to see how many posters on here that are all up in arms over Chick Fil A not having "Chicago Values", were against the so called "ground zero mosque".
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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I don't know I think its something of a gray area. For example, could a city not grant a business license to a white supremacist group?
    based on their political beliefs? Absolutely not. Such would infringe on the free exercise of speech, with doesn't distinguish between offensive speech and that which is popular

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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    it's not OK to deny a business because it is gay. but it is OK to deny a business because it doesn't like gays
    it's not OK to deny a business because it is minority. but it is OK to deny a business because it does not like minorities

    hypocrisy...what a concept
    Despite what that idiot Romney says, corporations aren't people. A Corporation can't be gay. Only people can.

    The point you people are missing is that a local government has a right to deny a business permit if they feel that the business does not fit in with their values.
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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    My point was that freedom of expression simply means that you can state your beliefs publicly without fear of government prosecution. It doesn't mean that you cant be fired for it. It doesn't mean that you cant be boycotted for it. It doesn't mean that you can then open a business in a community that does not share your views. As someone else pointed out, communities routinely ban strip clubs and adult video stores. This is despite the fact that both industries are engaging in constitutionally protected freedom of expression.
    the govt would be doing exactly that: looking to punish the company for it's adoption of unpopular ideas

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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    My point was that freedom of expression simply means that you can state your beliefs publicly without fear of government prosecution. It doesn't mean that you cant be fired for it. It doesn't mean that you cant be boycotted for it. It doesn't mean that you can then open a business in a community that does not share your views. As someone else pointed out, communities routinely ban strip clubs and adult video stores. This is despite the fact that both industries are engaging in constitutionally protected freedom of expression.
    the govt denying you a business license is, in essence, prosecuting you for it
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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    My point was that freedom of expression simply means that you can state your beliefs publicly without fear of government prosecution. It doesn't mean that you cant be fired for it. It doesn't mean that you cant be boycotted for it. It doesn't mean that you can then open a business in a community that does not share your views. As someone else pointed out, communities routinely ban strip clubs and adult video stores. This is despite the fact that both industries are engaging in constitutionally protected freedom of expression.

    Since I am arguing both sides of this to a degree, it would be interesting to see how many posters on here that are all up in arms of Chick Fil A not having "Chicago Values", were against the so called "ground zero mosque".
    This is what I was saying.

    Good point about the Ground Zero Muslim Community Center.
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