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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    if only you had a penny for every time you ignored the fact you are supporting fascism.
    Lmao. Sure. We'll be coming after people who go to dress up saloons next. Better load up them muskets!
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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Can you tell us all what is illegal about denying a business license?
    Where did I say specifically that "denying a business license" is illegal.

    I stated the government discriminating on the basis of religion or religious views is illegal.

    Thus you can't go "We're denying your business license because we disagree with your religious views on gay marriage". You can, as you said, go about backdoor ways to find technicalities or make up other reasons to go about denying the business license. As I said, I view that as unethical due to it being done to circumvent the actual reason motivating the action, which is an unconstitutional motivation. Similar to if it was done to the Mosque.

    Uh - wha!?! Sorry - wait... You lost me in the gibberish. There is no such law. Actually, I've argued excessively before that the first amendment grants you the right to worship. It doesn't grant you the right to set up a church anywhere you want.
    So then you'd have no issue with New York City taking action to assure that mosque could not be built anywhere near ground zero by utilizing zoning laws, building laws, and other such things as a means to make it impossible for them to do so...despite the actual motivation and reason for it is because they don't want a muslim holy place near there? Because you know....the actual TECHNICAL reason they would not be allowed to build is not due to their religion.

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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

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    Ah look at that.....so good.

    This thread actually caused me to go eat at CFA earlier.

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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Again and for the last time because I have to get up early tomorrow:

    1. The alderman can publicly state that he will fight to deny Chik-fil-a a business license.
    2. The people reviewing the application can provide any legal excuse available to them in order to deny them.
    3. There isn't a thing which you could do in order to change the legality of their decision aside from taking them to court by suing.
    4. As unethical as you think it may be, the local authorities are fully within their right to make this decision.

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    Alright. I'm done.
    and if they could show no legitimate reason for denying any license, or permit, any decision they made would be overturned by the courts

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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    There are religious groups who interpret the story of Cain and Abel to mean that black people are cursed by God. If those people donated large sums of money to the KKK, I wouldn't distinguish between what they believe and what they are doing. It doesn't matter. They are providing money to a hate group.

    This is no different. It's a business that is providing money to a group that disseminates false information about gays in hopes of inspiring enough fear to bring about policy changes and throw gays behind bars. What they believe is irrelevant to what they are doing.
    There is a difference though. Blacks have the civil rights act. Chick-fil-A was giving money to groups that essentially support current law. I could see where Vermont, Massachusetts, Iowa and other states that allow same sex couples to marry would argue that Chick-fil-A is a discriminatory company because of the groups it has chosen to give money to. However, in Illinois, same sex marriage is illegal. So really, Rahm's problem should be with the state government of Illinois.
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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Follow along:

    You.
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    No.
    Analogy.
    Or.
    Point.
    government discriminating business compared to government discriminating against business of race.

    that is a logical comparison,you are just in utter denial.
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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Where did I say specifically that "denying a business license" is illegal.

    I stated the government discriminating on the basis of religion or religious views is illegal.
    Who says the government will deny them based on religion? You seen the application and the decision made on it? I haven't maybe you can show it to us.

    So then you'd have no issue ....
    I don't have a problem with any government taking legal recourses to deny anyone of anything. I welcome it. If I don't agree with the decision rendered, I also welcomed the disgruntled citizens to take the legal recourses available to them to overturn said decisions.
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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Lmao. Sure. We'll be coming after people who go to dress up saloons next. Better load up them muskets!
    ok so now you resort to logical fallacies,i see.

    you know its considered ectremely unintelligent to use major fallacies like that in a debate right??????????
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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    There is a difference though. Blacks have the civil rights act. Chick-fil-A was giving money to groups that essentially support current law. I could see where Vermont, Massachusetts, Iowa and other states that allow same sex couples to marry would argue that Chick-fil-A is a discriminatory company because of the groups it has chosen to give money to. However, in Illinois, same sex marriage is illegal. So really, Rahm's problem should be with the state government of Illinois.
    Chick-fil-A gives money to groups that want to criminalize homosexuality and other groups that treat homosexuality like a mental illness. That is not current law.
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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Chick-fil-A gives money to groups that want to criminalize homosexuality and other groups that treat homosexuality like a mental illness. That is not current law.
    see citation on advocacy vs action

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