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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    So you support businesses that support gays but find it perfectly OK for a mayor to exclude one from a city because of a different point of view on marriage? (Not to mention the business has discriminated against no one while reflecting their views)

    The only word I can think of is hypocrite.
    Before you call names, you should go back and actually read my posts. I'm not defending what the mayor of Boston wants to do on moral ground. I haven't been saying it's a great thing. I've been discussing it's legality, which is hardly an indisputable point.

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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Dumb. If an organization were funding the KKK or NeoNazis then you wouldn't be jumping to compare it to an organization that supports same sex marriage...at least I hope you wouldn't.

    The only reason you hold this position is because you are not informed. You don't know what kind of lies and hatred the FRC has spread over the years. How often their lies are quoted by politicians and media figures.

    Nope. I refuse to debate this issue with someone who has no idea what they are talking about. I'm simply pointing out that comparing an organization that supports hate groups to one that supports same sex marriage is ridiculous at best. If you want to open a debate on why it is a hate group, then feel free. I would love to go page by page with ya on things the FRC has said, because I know oh so very well that I will win that debate and you will feel like an idiot for even starting it once you are informed.
    The KKK and NeoNazis hate minorities and Jews. The FRC condemns homosexual acts and believes that homosexual behavior is unhealthy and damaging to the individual. You can disagree with their studies, but I see no evidence that they hate homosexual individuals and on their website they say that sympathy should be shown and that homosexuals should be helped out of that lifestyle. You can certainly strongly disagree with them, but this isn't an issue of hate nor can they be rationally compared to the KKK or NeoNazis. It's not rational to call them a hate group and I largely suspect they are branded as such because people impose their irrational bias and their desire to believe that FRC is a hate group because it's fueled by their illogical and unfair desire to "demonize the enemy." The Wesboro morons are a hate group, the FRC is not.

    You could also address my original question though. Would you support city governments legally banning Target stores solely because Target supports SSM and sells pro-homosexual merchandise and the city's argument is that "Target does not reflect our values"?
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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    all I see is that you have your knickers in a twist over this because, and only because, it is one of your pet issues.

    as long as chik-fil-a isn't doing anything illegal, this is a non-issue.
    Since you have nothing to say but referring to my knickers metaphorically and calling this a non-issue, I have to assume you concede my point. For which you have my thanks.

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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    all I see is that you have your knickers in a twist over this because, and only because, it is one of your pet issues.

    as long as chik-fil-a isn't doing anything illegal, this is a non-issue.
    You can call them stupid and bigotted, and you don't have to eat there. Otherwise, you're right.

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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    No. I work with and respect lots of people who don't support SSM and their opinions are there own.

    However, people who give money to deceitful groups that spread lies about gays and have little concern for how those lies affect the lives of gay people, are pretty stupid. Especially when they are purported to support "Christian" and "family" values. Since when are those values best represented by deceit and reckless disregard?
    boo dee frickin who. they spread lies.... but then again...you consider anything that is anti-gay to be a lie.
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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Really? What if my opinion is that Mars isn't a planet?
    I would disagree, but have the tact and common courtesy to not deem them stupid.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    No. I work with and respect lots of people who don't support SSM and their opinions are there own.

    However, people who give money to deceitful groups that spread lies about gays and have little concern for how those lies affect the lives of gay people, are pretty stupid. Especially when they are purported to support "Christian" and "family" values. Since when are those values best represented by deceit and reckless disregard?
    The problem is that you are on one side of the same coin. The beauty of reality is that it is complex, no truths are written in stone, and there will exist groups of people who have differing opinions. You proclaim your opinion is the truth. You cannot know, because it is your opinion. You and your beliefs, the owner of Chick-fil-A and his views... can coexist. Does this business refuse to hire homosexuals? I doubt it. And yes, there do exist certain ideologues with opinions, gasp, that are different than yours that donate their money to groups that share the same views. Let it be. I acknowledge that there are those who donate money towards organizations that have views that oppose mine, but I let it be and accept it, because I'm not so arrogant as to demand others can't have their views, or donate money to them. It's arrogance.

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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Oh, no. They're stupid because they hold those opinions. If a person believes in 3000 year old islamo-judeo-christo-voodoo mysticism and uses it to guide their life, they are for all intended purposes stupid and anachronistic. End of story.
    That is your opinion, and a very narrow one at that.

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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    The KKK and NeoNazis hate minorities and Jews. The FRC condemns homosexual acts and believes that homosexual behavior is unhealthy and damaging to the individual. You can disagree with their studies, but I see no evidence that they hate homosexual individuals and on their website they say that sympathy should be shown and that homosexuals should be helped out of that lifestyle. You can certainly strongly disagree with them, but this isn't an issue of hate nor can they be rationally compared to the KKK or NeoNazis. It's not rational to call them a hate group and I largely suspect they are branded as such because people impose their irrational bias and their desire to believe that FRC is a hate group because it's fueled by their illogical and unfair desire to "demonize the enemy." The Wesboro morons are a hate group, the FRC is not.

    You could also address my original question though. Would you support city governments legally banning Target stores solely because Target supports SSM and sells pro-homosexual merchandise and the city's argument is that "Target does not reflect our values"?
    Yeah... and the New Black Panther Movement just wants to help white people find the error of their ways. Do you know how ridiculous and condescending you sound when you argue that you have the power to help gay people get fixed? Does your brain even program such information? I mean I get it. But could you imagine the little fit you and other Christians would have if an Atheist group had a camp designed to turn Christians into atheists because they thought their lifestyle - and yes - Christianity IS a lifestyle you choose - was wrong?
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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by Miguel17 View Post
    Since you have nothing to say but referring to my knickers metaphorically and calling this a non-issue, I have to assume you concede my point. For which you have my thanks.
    you have no point other than to push your hypocritical agenda.
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    re: Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values” [W:698]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    That is your opinion, and a very narrow one at that.
    Spare me from your inability to debate and false outrage. I'll wipe the intellectual floor with you and your religion before you're done writing your next post.
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