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    Re: Colorado gun sales up after cinema killings

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Oh yes, he's just evil. That's a rational approach.
    Considering he planned this out for a long time, bobbietraped enough explosive in his apartment to level the whole building, and shot up a movie theater, yes I think calling him evil is perfectly rational.

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    Re: Colorado gun sales up after cinema killings

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Oh yes, he's just evil. That's a rational approach.

    If he's evil, then he's not human, and therefore we don't need to take preventative steps. Humans don't do evil things, so why waste time focusing on non-evil humans? Right?

    Logical fallacy.
    Why does something have to be to blame? Why cant he just be to blame?
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    Re: Colorado gun sales up after cinema killings

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    A bullet proof vest does not make you superman. If you get hit by a bullet you will feel it and it can still possibly injure you and even break some bones,especially at close range.
    Anyone who plans something like this can easily overcome possible threats by ramping up the violence. Like I said, maybe it will be a firebomb next time instead of a tear gas canister. Hard to shoot when your covered in burning gasoline.

    Sorry, I don't take for granted that someone will have enough training and ability to take out someone so intent on destruction like Holmes. I'm not gonna place all my eggs in that basket.

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    Re: Colorado gun sales up after cinema killings

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    We have a sever lack of mental health services in many parts of the nation. We also have some of the highest rates of personality disorders and mood disorders in the western world. I'm not saying increasing access to mental health is a cure all, I'm saying it's a better topic to discuss than the idea than we should get more people guns in order to stop another mass shooting.



    When did I ever mention new gov't laws? Don't put words in my mouth. There are plenty of ways of expanding mental health services without expanding govt. And besides, mental health is usually under the state government, so what do you care what other states do?

    I agree with you second part, too. I'm not advocating one magic bullet to end all crazies.



    None of that is remotely what I think should happen. Where do you get that from?
    OK, this is your second post about "expanding mental health services" without ANY mention of just what that MEANS. You chide me for not "getting it" yet offer NO explanation AGAIN, for what "it" is. Explain what YOU DO MEAN by "expanding mental health services" and how that DOES NOT involve gov't or tax money and how THIS CASE may have been affected by this "change".
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    Re: Colorado gun sales up after cinema killings

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Why does something have to be to blame? Why cant he just be to blame?
    He is to blame. But calling him "evil" takes away any human traits, and it makes him almost superhuman. He's not Jason Voorhees, he's not Hannibal Lecter. He's a 24 year old man who obviously had a brilliant mind. He also had a dark part of his mind that took over in one way or another.

    Calling him evil just takes away any possibility that things like this can be prevented.

    It's like calling something an act of god; it assumes it's unpreventable by nature.
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    Re: Colorado gun sales up after cinema killings

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    OK, this is your second post about "expanding mental health services" without ANY mention of just what that MEANS. You chide me for not "getting it" yet offer NO explanation AGAIN, for what "it" is. Explain what YOU DO MEAN by "expanding mental health services" and how that DOES NOT involve gov't or tax money and how THIS CASE may have been affected by this "change".
    It's a rather large, complicated subject. I'd rather not derail the thread like this. I can make a new thread in another forum if you want to go into detail.

    But the gist is, we have two problems; an aversion to mental health help, because of various cultural and social norms that prevent many people from seeking help. The other is that in many places in the US, even access to basic mental health services. This term "mental health services" covers wide swath of people and institutions, it can cover anyone from social workers and registered nurses to licensed psychiatrists. We have what some say worrying rates of depression and suicide, anxiety disorders, bipolar disorder and other mental health issues. High rates of illness and low rates of care providers is not a good thing.

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    Re: Colorado gun sales up after cinema killings

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    A bullet proof vest does not make you superman. If you get hit by a bullet you will feel it and it can still possibly injure you and even break some bones,especially at close range.

    eng3060 / Sub-Process 3 - How Does a Bullet-Proof Vest Stop a Bullet (Aaron Martin)
    It's not even certain he was wearing armor at all. This could have been false reporting, intentional or accidental. "Tactical" just means there's pockets, it doesn't mean there's any ballistic protection.
    Last edited by Jerry; 07-25-12 at 03:57 PM.

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    Re: Colorado gun sales up after cinema killings

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    He is to blame. But calling him "evil" takes away any human traits, and it makes him almost superhuman. He's not Jason Voorhees, he's not Hannibal Lecter. He's a 24 year old man who obviously had a brilliant mind. He also had a dark part of his mind that took over in one way or another.

    Calling him evil just takes away any possibility that things like this can be prevented.
    Things like this can't be prevented, unless you favor mandatory psychological profiling and analysis on the general public. When someone is going through this type of mental change/dysfunction, they don't always even recognize that something is wrong.
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    Re: Colorado gun sales up after cinema killings

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Why does something have to be to blame? Why cant he just be to blame?
    Because then you introduce the "anti-liberal" thought of personal responsibility; if a criminal is simply held responsible for their crime, then there is no "root cause" to launch massive liberal social programs to "fix". If a person is actually responsible for their own actions, then you can not justify rewarding INDIVIDUAL (educational, social and economic) failure with welfare, you must make it seem that SOCIETY has somehow that failed the individual, then you can "fix" it with a liberal social program.
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    Re: Colorado gun sales up after cinema killings

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    He is to blame. But calling him "evil" takes away any human traits, and it makes him almost superhuman. He's not Jason Voorhees, he's not Hannibal Lecter. He's a 24 year old man who obviously had a brilliant mind. He also had a dark part of his mind that took over in one way or another.

    Calling him evil just takes away any possibility that things like this can be prevented.

    It's like calling something an act of god; it assumes it's unpreventable by nature.
    What makes you think it is preventable at all?
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