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    Re: Colorado gun sales up after cinema killings

    Quote Originally Posted by Romulus View Post
    That's my point, your side puts reason aside by banning firearms with cosmetics that look scary, to the ignorant.
    I think both sides do that.

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    Re: Colorado gun sales up after cinema killings

    Oh great, more panicked overreaction from the public.

    I don't believe for a second that a lunatic like Holmes would be stopped by movie-goers packing heat. The theater was filled with tear-gas or whatever it was. Holmes was decked out in protective gear. His goal was to kill as many people as possible. A average citizen with a .38 on his ankle would have been useless in this scenario.

    Gun ownership, IMO, reduces direct crimes against people. Having armed citizens most likely would reduce muggings and carjackings. The right to use deadly force against home invaders I think deters quite a few robbers or rapists.

    Unfortunately, this specific scenario, the Batman shooting, an armed citizenry probably a. Would not deter someone like Holmes and b. would probably have little impact in a similar scenario. The average criminal might be deterred by armed citizens. A crazed killer who's goal is to kill as many as possible would only increase their aggressiveness to overcome a possible threat.. Maybe they'll throw a molotov instead of a tear gas bomb next time. A few pistol-packing moviegoers would not have deterred or stopped Holmes.

    The point is, this Batman shooting needs to be addressed from a preventative angle; our lack of mental health services in this country.
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    Re: Colorado gun sales up after cinema killings

    Quote Originally Posted by Romulus View Post
    What would you use?
    I would openly debate his stance on NAFTA, that would disarm him.
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    Re: Colorado gun sales up after cinema killings

    Quote Originally Posted by Romulus View Post
    Obama would clearly impede gun rights if it weren't for the NRA and an activist population of Americans who would punish his party (like 94').
    Sure he would... If only right? I mean your really in Obamas brain right? You can read his mind right? He is probably thinking "if it wasnt for that damn NRA"...




    A pro-gun socialist? You're a rare bird.
    I guess so

    Considering the largest mass murders in history were carried out by socialist governments on an unarmed populace.


    Thankfully, socialism/communism are being relegated to the dustbins of history. It is rational to afraid of being a violent crime victim, and arming yourself to prevent that is rational.


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    Re: Colorado gun sales up after cinema killings

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Oh great, more panicked overreaction from the public.

    I don't believe for a second that a lunatic like Holmes would be stopped by movie-goers packing heat. The theater was filled with tear-gas or whatever it was. Holmes was decked out in protective gear. His goal was to kill as many people as possible. A average citizen with a .38 on his ankle would have been useless in this scenario.

    Gun ownership, IMO, reduces direct crimes against people. Having armed citizens most likely would reduce muggings and carjackings. The right to use deadly force against home invaders I think deters quite a few robbers or rapists.

    Unfortunately, this specific scenario, the Batman shooting, an armed citizenry probably a. Would not deter someone like Holmes and b. would probably have little impact in a similar scenario. The average criminal might be deterred by armed citizens. A crazed killer who's goal is to kill as many as possible would only increase their aggressiveness to overcome a possible threat.. Maybe they'll throw a molotov instead of a tear gas bomb next time. A few pistol-packing moviegoers would not have deterred or stopped Holmes.

    The point is, this Batman shooting needs to be addressed from a preventative angle; our lack of mental health services in this country.
    ...............

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    Re: Colorado gun sales up after cinema killings

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not sure appealing to fear is ever legit, not when it puts reason aside.
    Fear is how liberals explain reason they don't understand.
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    Re: Colorado gun sales up after cinema killings

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
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    So if access to guns wasn't the problem, and his mental health was not an issue, why did Holmes do what he did? Not enough Sundays at church?

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    Re: Colorado gun sales up after cinema killings

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Fear is how liberals explain reason they don't understand.

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    Re: Colorado gun sales up after cinema killings

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Oh great, more panicked overreaction from the public.

    I don't believe for a second that a lunatic like Holmes would be stopped by movie-goers packing heat. The theater was filled with tear-gas or whatever it was. Holmes was decked out in protective gear. His goal was to kill as many people as possible. A average citizen with a .38 on his ankle would have been useless in this scenario.
    Simply wrong. While Holmes was kevlar-ed up, taking shot with body armor is not like it is in the movies. You don't generally just keep on doing what you were doing. In most instances, the individual is knocked off their feet as the vest is design to distribute the high velocity impact over a larger area. I've heard it referred to as being hit sqaure in the chest by someone giving a full swing of a ball peen hammer. Douchebag was in fantasy world....3 slugs to the chest would have brought him back to reality pretty quickly.

    While someone packing may not have prevented people from dying, you're delusional if you think the numbers of people that were shot woudln't be drastically lower.

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    Re: Colorado gun sales up after cinema killings

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Oh great, more panicked overreaction from the public.

    I don't believe for a second that a lunatic like Holmes would be stopped by movie-goers packing heat. The theater was filled with tear-gas or whatever it was. Holmes was decked out in protective gear. His goal was to kill as many people as possible. A average citizen with a .38 on his ankle would have been useless in this scenario.

    Gun ownership, IMO, reduces direct crimes against people. Having armed citizens most likely would reduce muggins and carjackings. The right to use deadly force against home invaders I think deters quite a few robbers or rapists.

    Unfortunately, this specific scenario, the Batman shooting, an armed citizenry probably a. Would not deter someone like Holmes and b. would probably have little impact in a similar scenario. The average criminal might be deterred by armed citizens. A crazed killer who's goal is to kill as many as possible would only increase their aggressiveness to overcome a possible threat.. Maybe they'll throw a molotov instead of a tear gas bomb next time. A few pistol-packing moviegoers would not have deterred or stopped Holmes.

    The point is, this Batman shooting needs to be addressed from a preventative angle; our lack of mental health services in this country.
    What? Just how would "mental health services" have kept this moron from committing premeditated mass murder? He spent THOUSANDS on his weapons, it is not an "access" issue. Will we send the "loony squad" to aid all of those deemed "odd" or "loners" by their neaghbors?

    It never ceases to amaze me that some NEW gov't program or law is the "only logical" way to deal with ANY situation. The EASIEST, by far, step to prevent the "theater killer" is to alarm the "emergency" exit doors, preventing them from entering "unnoticed" with full body armor and numerous weapons.

    Creating and sending a "loony squad" to seek out "odd folks" is not going to do ANYTHING except waste time and massive amounts of tax money. You do realize that the Batman killer was PAID by the U.S. gov't to go to school, had no job and likely used that tax money to fund this plot. If the gov't is not even going to "check out" those it gives our tax money to, it is HIGHLY unlikely that it will effectively "check out" random folks in a country of over 300 million.
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