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    Re: Colorado gun sales up after cinema killings

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    No my statmeents are not incorrect. This guy can probably come up with a **** load of excuses as to why he did it. He was tired of controlled, he was angry at the governement, his girlfriend broke up with him, his puppy died, his favorite tv show was cancelled. There is no excuse he is going to put out there that millions of others have not dealt with as well. It is no excuse.
    Someday they may be able to identify a gene marker or a brain pattern that makes people more high risk than others. And, even at that, it would be a dangerous way to predict behavior. Let's face it. There is no way to predict behavior. Subject one person to a series of identical events as another person? Probably two very different outcomes. It's hindsight alone that makes us say, "His actions were quite predictable."
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    Re: Colorado gun sales up after cinema killings

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    and what if his acts were due to insanity?

    should we still lynch him?
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    Re: Colorado gun sales up after cinema killings

    here is something else to blame rather than the guy who did it

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    glad to help.
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    Re: Colorado gun sales up after cinema killings

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    yes. 000000000
    why would you want to kill someone who commited a crime due to severe mental illness that kept him from understanding his actions?

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    Re: Colorado gun sales up after cinema killings

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Eh, there are three main accepted influences in behavior: genetics, environment and the will. Many liberals, like myself, put a lot of emphasis on environment when it comes to behavior. We also see genetics as being a significant influence. However, we usually don't see the will as a significant influence since we usually see it as a primarily determined by genetics and environment. Because of that, you often see us focusing on society/genetics and what both have done to impact people's will.

    Conservatives, on the other hand, focus primarily on the will. Because of that, they often focus on personal responsibility and how people have chosen to use their own will rather than how other people may have influenced their choices.

    Now, instead of choosing to challenge the generally liberal idea that society has the primary impact on behavior and defend your belief that the will has the primary impact and that we should therefore choose to focus on personal responsibility rather than environment, you've chosen to act like a hackish fool and resort to insulting those who think differently than you by distorting their position. Fail.
    WRONG. The "fail" is injecting tax money to reward that "failure" rather than doing anything to alter the situation. We KNOW that single parent "families" are a MAJOR part of the problem, yet they are the FIRST priority of our major "anti-poverty" programs; get married, especially to someone with a modest job, and your "help" dries up, leaving you WORSE OFF than before. Delay having that child and you delay getting "qualified" for most aid.

    Instead of helping those that wish to ESCAPE the ghetto they are instead actually paid to stay there. To survive outside a city with free (or heavily subsidized) public transit requires an expensive car, yet I am aware of no program to help with that. Most social programs continue to subsidize failure and not to break the cycle of single parent "families", dropping out of school and simply remaining a parasite. Decisions have consequences, some are rewarded (out of wedlock childbirth) others are not, lacking transportation/job training in a rural area.

    Much of our free public education does not make one able to get a decent job, but dropping out and starting a "family" pays MORE than finishing that highschool education and getting a McJob, that is insane. I would much rather help those that want to help themselves than to simply reward failure. I would START by making any and all public assistance depend on finishing highschool, performing some public service (or job training) and remaining reasonably sober.
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    Re: Colorado gun sales up after cinema killings

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Removing him from this planet would be for our own safety. The problem that needs to be solved is this guys existence.
    Actually, just putting him in prison would keep is safe from him. However, our own safety would be improved if we could prevent others from becoming him, which is the point.

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    Re: Colorado gun sales up after cinema killings

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    WRONG. The "fail" is injecting tax money to reward that "failure" rather than doing anything to alter the situation. We KNOW that single parent "families" are a MAJOR part of the problem, yet they are the FIRST priority of our major "anti-poverty" programs; get married, especially to someone with a modest job, and your "help" dries up, leaving you WORSE OFF than before. Delay having that child and you delay getting "qualified" for most aid.

    Instead of helping those that wish to ESCAPE the ghetto they are instead actually paid to stay there. To survive outside a city with free (or heavily subsidized) public transit requires an expensive car, yet I am aware of no program to help with that. Most social programs continue to subsidize failure and not to break the cycle of single parent "families", dropping out of school and simply remaining a parasite. Decisions have consequences, some are rewarded (out of wedlock childbirth) others are not, lacking transportation/job training in a rural area.

    Much of our free public education does not make one able to get a decent job, but dropping out and starting a "family" pays MORE than finishing that highschool education and getting a McJob, that is insane. I would much rather help those that want to help themselves than to simply reward failure. I would START by making any and all public assistance depend on finishing highschool, performing some public service (or job training) and remaining reasonably sober.
    My point either went over your head or you are engaged in a blatant deflection. Either way, I haven't the time.

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    Re: Colorado gun sales up after cinema killings

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    why would you want to kill someone who commited a crime due to severe mental illness that kept him from understanding his actions?
    You cannot make a case that this kid did not understand. his planning too involved. That has no chance of flying.
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    Re: Colorado gun sales up after cinema killings

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    You cannot make a case that this kid did not understand. his planning too involved. That has no chance of flying.
    I don't have to. The lawyer can.

    anyways, if he is deemed unfit for trial, or innocent by reason of insanity, he should get treatment....not a noose.

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    Re: Colorado gun sales up after cinema killings

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    why would you want to kill someone who commited a crime due to severe mental illness that kept him from understanding his actions?
    IF someone murdered my loved ones I wouldn't give a damn if the murderer understood his actions or not.
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