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    NBC/WSJ poll: Negative campaign takes toll on candidates; Obama up six points

    NBC/WSJ poll: Negative campaign takes toll on candidates; Obama up six points - First Read

    The internals of this poll are revealing. 46% are Democrats and 35% are Republicans. At the height of Obama fever in 2008 the polls had a split favoring Democrats by 7%, and now, after 3 years of economic suffering, somehow the split is favoring Democrats by 11%?

    Note that in a poll with 11% more Democrats than Republicans Obama leads by only 6%. Moreover, Obamacare gets only 40% favorable in a poll with 46% Democrats.

    Why are they putting a poll out that can be debunked in about 5 seconds?

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    Re: NBC/WSJ poll: Negative campaign takes toll on candidates; Obama up six points

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    NBC/WSJ poll: Negative campaign takes toll on candidates; Obama up six points - First Read

    The internals of this poll are revealing. 46% are Democrats and 35% are Republicans. At the height of Obama fever in 2008 the polls had a split favoring Democrats by 7%, and now, after 3 years of economic suffering, somehow the split is favoring Democrats by 11%?

    Note that in a poll with 11% more Democrats than Republicans Obama leads by only 6%. Moreover, Obamacare gets only 40% favorable in a poll with 46% Democrats.

    Why are they putting a poll out that can be debunked in about 5 seconds?
    One, there are about 72 million registered Democrats versus about 55 million registered Republicans, so an accurate poll sample SHOULD show more Democrats than Republicans. And two, virtually all polls employ weighting to adjust the sample pool to national statistics.

    Why do conservatives always attack poll samples when they don't like the results, but never attack them when they do like the results?
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    Re: NBC/WSJ poll: Negative campaign takes toll on candidates; Obama up six points

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    One, there are about 72 million registered Democrats versus about 55 million registered Republicans, so an accurate poll sample SHOULD show more Democrats than Republicans. And two, virtually all polls employ weighting to adjust the sample pool to national statistics.

    Why do conservatives always attack poll samples when they don't like the results, but never attack them when they do like the results?
    Same could be said of the democrats. But as always you dont want to see both sides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Same could be said of the democrats. But as always you dont want to see both sides.
    The same could be said, but it wouldn't be true. As always you insist on two sides being equal when they aren't.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: NBC/WSJ poll: Negative campaign takes toll on candidates; Obama up six points

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The same could be said, but it wouldn't be true. As always you insist on two sides being equal when they aren't.
    Really? If a poll comes out that liberals or democrats dont agree with they dont attack the poll? You sure about that?

    (hint the above is a very loaded question)
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    Re: NBC/WSJ poll: Negative campaign takes toll on candidates; Obama up six points

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Really? If a poll comes out that liberals or democrats dont agree with they dont attack the poll? You sure about that?

    (hint the above is a very loaded question)
    No, I'm not saying that it never happens, but in my experience conservatives are far more likely to attack the pool sample of any poll they don't like than liberals are.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: NBC/WSJ poll: Negative campaign takes toll on candidates; Obama up six points

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Why do conservatives always attack poll samples when they don't like the results, but never attack them when they do like the results?
    Going to imagine that it's for similar reasons that liberals do it...

    Because people rarely are consistent in anything except the notion that they want what helps them.

    Oh wait...you're basing this off your exceptionanl and totally unbiased and objective "experience" with liberals and conservatives. Well, lordy me...how dare I question that. Yes, obviously you speak nothing but absolute fact...damn those rotten conservatives, damn'em to hell.



    In regards to the story, it's interesting but not surprising that the negative tones of both camps is having a negative impact on themselves as well as the other side. 2008 showed a bit what the power of a very positive campaign can do for the American people. While your most partisans and your very politically active individuals like the slugfest...a lot of your average americans are ones I think that frankly tire of the mudslinging.

    The horse race being close doesn't surprise me too much and is something I expect until at least the debates. The economy numbers are probably the most interesting take away from the article however.

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    Re: NBC/WSJ poll: Negative campaign takes toll on candidates; Obama up six points

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    NBC/WSJ poll: Negative campaign takes toll on candidates; Obama up six points - First Read

    The internals of this poll are revealing. 46% are Democrats and 35% are Republicans. At the height of Obama fever in 2008 the polls had a split favoring Democrats by 7%, and now, after 3 years of economic suffering, somehow the split is favoring Democrats by 11%?

    Note that in a poll with 11% more Democrats than Republicans Obama leads by only 6%. Moreover, Obamacare gets only 40% favorable in a poll with 46% Democrats.

    Why are they putting a poll out that can be debunked in about 5 seconds?
    No poll is perfect, which is why each one has a margin of error. Since the margin of error is 3.9 percent, the poll is most likely valid, and not an outlier, and could also be interpreted as Romney slightly ahead and still within the margin of error.
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    Re: NBC/WSJ poll: Negative campaign takes toll on candidates; Obama up six points

    I'm pretty sure NBC already reported that Obama won in a landslide the next election. Saw it on the "news" last night actually, it was right after they reported that the TEA Party was solely responsible for global warming and that James Holmes is actually Sarah Palin in a wig.

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    One, there are about 72 million registered Democrats versus about 55 million registered Republicans, so an accurate poll sample SHOULD show more Democrats than Republicans.
    Only 28 states allow registered voters to indicate a party preference when registering to vote, I'd be interested to know the source of your statistic.

    "As of 2010, Gallup polling found that 31% of Americans identified as Democrats (tying a 22-year low), 29% as Republicans, and 38% as independents. By 2011 Gallup found that Americans identifying as independents had risen to 40 percent."
    Political party strength in U.S. states - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Polls don't mean much, especially this far out. Especially biased and skewed polls put forth by hyper-partisan "news" outlets. Only 40% of likely voters approve of Obama's job performance, yet somehow 55% of likely voters plan to vote for him? Really? So 15% of voters hate the job he's doing, but they're going to vote for him anyway? Ah.

    The sad part is, a lot of NBS viewers swallow this narrative without ever giving it (or math) a second thought. MSNBS has become a parody of itself, lately they make FoxNews look like PBS. Not to go off topic, but one of the morons at MSNBS had an explanation for the Aurora shootings: Racism. I'm not kidding.

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Why do conservatives always attack poll samples when they don't like the results, but never attack them when they do like the results?
    "The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows Mitt Romney attracting 47% of the vote, while President Obama earns support from 44%."
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    Re: NBC/WSJ poll: Negative campaign takes toll on candidates; Obama up six points

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Oh wait...you're basing this off your exceptionanl and totally unbiased and objective "experience" with liberals and conservatives. Well, lordy me...how dare I question that. Yes, obviously you speak nothing but absolute fact...damn those rotten conservatives, damn'em to hell.
    Yes, well, I can only base it on my personal "observations" (Zyph air quotes added).
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

    -- Adam Smith

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