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    Re: Wal-Mart opposes $6 billion Visa-MasterCard fee settlement

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    You dont have a problem with large corporations and governments exploiting the poor for their own personal gains as long as you get to save a little bit of money huh?
    I don't have a problem with people in other countries, having the opportunity to work and better their lives.
    The alternative is much worse.

    The person seeking to remove your means of earning an income, is not your friend.
    Do you really think these people would thank you, for lobbying to have their jobs eliminated?
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    Re: Wal-Mart opposes $6 billion Visa-MasterCard fee settlement

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Keep ignoring the facts about walmart because you dont want to believe it. I know you are a reasonably intelligent person and if you wanted to view the information objectively and honestly you would. Instead like most people in this country you are blinded by your own selfishness and greed and would rather see yourself save a little bit of money than to see the american economy, world economy or people as a whole improve. I look forward to your next reply and hopefully that one will amount to more than an expansion of UH UH
    I know Walmart has done some bad things, who is completely innocent in this world?

    Besides all that though, the criticism against how much they pay is meaningless, it assumes that absent Walmart, these people would have higher incomes, which is grossly lacking in proof.

    How is paying more for household items, for no practical reason, make the world economy better?
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    Re: Wal-Mart opposes $6 billion Visa-MasterCard fee settlement

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I hate Walmart. Sam Walton builds a dream based on a Norman Rockwell vision of small town American and it turns out he has really built the Frankenstien monster which comes back to destroy the dream.

    Screw WM.
    You hate average Americans and the poor.
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    Re: Wal-Mart opposes $6 billion Visa-MasterCard fee settlement

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Prove it.
    You haven't.
    NO i have. You either didnt read the information or failed to understand or process. Neither of which is my fault.
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    Re: Wal-Mart opposes $6 billion Visa-MasterCard fee settlement

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I know Walmart has done some bad things, who is completely innocent in this world?

    Besides all that though, the criticism against how much they pay is meaningless, it assumes that absent Walmart, these people would have higher incomes, which is grossly lacking in proof.
    Pay for work is meaningless?

    How is paying more for household items, for no practical reason, make the world economy better?
    Supporting businesses who promote fair paying jobs, obtain their products from manufacturing facilities that treat employees fairly would greatly help the economy. Is that really so difficult to realize. Ok. Maybe you need it explained more simply.

    Company A keeps their employees on welfare and paying 0 taxes.
    Company B pays their employees a living wage and their employees are self sufficient.

    If the majority of consumers shop at Company B. And very few shop with Company A. Which company is likely to employ more people? Also which company is more likely to change their business model to attract more customers?

    Manufacturing firm A pays their employees 0.15 a day (which no matter what you say is not doing them any favors).
    Manufacturing firm B pays their employees a fair wage but the products they produce have to reflect that in pricing.

    If consumers were buying goods from company B and very few were buying from Company A which is likely to stay in business?

    You may think there is no practical reason behind buying products that were manufactured under fair working conditions or products that were made here in American but there are. The way the world is going because of consumer spending habits you may have a fair job but every year fewer and fewer americans do. Your kids, or grandkids ect are going to continue going into a work environment that is going to abuse them. Every generation is more and more likely to live in poverty. And i know what you are going to say. You are going to educate your kids and help them do better than that. But more and more college grads are working for stores like wal mart. More and more people cannot find work outside of these laborless jobs taht you think only kids and unskilled people work at.

    Consumers shape the economy. The jobs of tomorrow and our economy are completely dependent on the choices being made today in stores. Send our money to the chinese and big box stores. Explain to me how exactly that helps anything.
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    Re: Wal-Mart opposes $6 billion Visa-MasterCard fee settlement

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You hate average Americans and the poor.
    no walmart and their shoppers hate the average american and the poor.
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    Re: Wal-Mart opposes $6 billion Visa-MasterCard fee settlement

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    NO i have. You either didnt read the information or failed to understand or process. Neither of which is my fault.
    You have yet to show that, sans Walmart people would be earning higher wages.

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Pay for work is meaningless?
    No, you've created an arbitrary standard of what is fair and what is not.


    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Supporting businesses who promote fair paying jobs, obtain their products from manufacturing facilities that treat employees fairly would greatly help the economy. Is that really so difficult to realize. Ok. Maybe you need it explained more simply.

    Company A keeps their employees on welfare and paying 0 taxes.
    Company B pays their employees a living wage and their employees are self sufficient.

    If the majority of consumers shop at Company B. And very few shop with Company A. Which company is likely to employ more people? Also which company is more likely to change their business model to attract more customers?

    Manufacturing firm A pays their employees 0.15 a day (which no matter what you say is not doing them any favors).
    Manufacturing firm B pays their employees a fair wage but the products they produce have to reflect that in pricing.

    If consumers were buying goods from company B and very few were buying from Company A which is likely to stay in business?
    "Fair pay" is arbitrary.
    What is fair to someone else, is not fair to you.

    Someone in a third world nation earning some income, is better than them earning no income.
    You just assume, that absent Walmart, they would be earning higher incomes, when the only thing these people have going for them is, their low cost of living and their need for lower wages than other nations.

    You're not helping anyone by setting an arbitrary wage standard which causes these people to become unemployed.

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    You may think there is no practical reason behind buying products that were manufactured under fair working conditions or products that were made here in American but there are. The way the world is going because of consumer spending habits you may have a fair job but every year fewer and fewer americans do. Your kids, or grandkids ect are going to continue going into a work environment that is going to abuse them. Every generation is more and more likely to live in poverty. And i know what you are going to say. You are going to educate your kids and help them do better than that. But more and more college grads are working for stores like wal mart. More and more people cannot find work outside of these laborless jobs taht you think only kids and unskilled people work at.

    Consumers shape the economy. The jobs of tomorrow and our economy are completely dependent on the choices being made today in stores. Send our money to the chinese and big box stores. Explain to me how exactly that helps anything.
    I don't live in a nationalistic, ethnocentric bubble, where only Americans are deserving of my dollars.
    Sorry, your post is littered with discriminatory and arbitrary standards.

    It allows Chinese people to earn money and provide for their family.

    Big box stores tend to be publicly traded, which also means that their shares are held by average Americans in pension funds, 401ks, etc.
    Their profits are distributed to these people, so that they can retire with some type of income.
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    Re: Wal-Mart opposes $6 billion Visa-MasterCard fee settlement

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    no walmart and their shoppers hate the average american and the poor.
    Their shoppers? I'd venture to guess that "their shoppers" are very often the poor. Good grief.
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    Re: Wal-Mart opposes $6 billion Visa-MasterCard fee settlement

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Besides all that though, the criticism against how much they pay is meaningless, it assumes that absent Walmart, these people would have higher incomes, which is grossly lacking in proof.
    Like those greeter jobs. Their always filled by an 80 year old woman or somebody whose crippled. They sit there and say "Welcome to Wal-Mart," and put stickers on return items. I'm skeptical that such a person could find a better job, unless they have some sort of skill that can still be harnessed.
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