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    Re: Wal-Mart opposes $6 billion Visa-MasterCard fee settlement

    I already read all that in preparation for your response.

    What company increases payroll on purpose, when the workload does not merit it?
    In fact, every single employer I've ever worked for tries to reign in hours, to those most necessary for the functions of the business.
    Otherwise a company will bleed money.
    The criticism is dumb as hell.

    Again we're back to, "why would a business purposefully over pay employees who have low/no skills?"
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    Re: Wal-Mart opposes $6 billion Visa-MasterCard fee settlement

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Nearly three-quarters of a million women work as "sales associates" in Wal-Mart stores. On average these women earn $6.10 per hour, or $12,688 per year if they are permitted to work full-time. This wage puts many of their families below the poverty level — half even qualify for federal assistance under the food stamp program.

    Women who make pants in El Salvador earn 15 cents for each pair; Wal-Mart sells these pants for $16.95 in its U.S. stores. Also, contractors in El Salvador force workers to take pregnancy tests.

    The Maine Department of Labor ordered Wal-Mart to pay the largest fine in state history for violating child labor laws. The Department of Labor discovered 1,436 child labor law infractions at twenty Wal-Mart chains.

    Lawsuits pertaining to Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) violations have been filed in Missouri, Arizona, California, and Arkansas.

    In the video Behind the Labels: Garment Workers in U.S. Saipan, Wal-Mart is featured as one of the retailers which contract with "sweatshops" in Saipan for the manufacturing of garments sold in their stores.
    Some of the rules in ADA are arbitrary and meticulous.
    Example: Height of a mirror or sink being an offense to sue for.

    I don't have a problem with third world people working either.
    It's better they have some job, than no job, having to nose through garbage dumps looking for food.

    You also have to prove that absent Walmart, these people on government assistance, would have higher paying jobs.
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    Re: Wal-Mart opposes $6 billion Visa-MasterCard fee settlement

    Is the issue WalMart, or is it price fixing by the credit card companies?

    WalMart is a retailer. You can love it, hate it, shop there, or not.

    You can pay in cash, ATM card, check, or use a credit card. The credit card is far and away the most convenient and safest way, if you know what you're doing.

    The issue is, that 2% they've colluded to charge the retailers gets passed on to the customers, all of the customers, not just the credit card customers.

    and, of course, not just Walmart customers.

    How is this fair? If I use a check, or pay in cash, I'm still paying that 2%. OK, so it isn't much, but 2% of everything every retailer who accepts credit cards sells is the same as a national sales tax of 2%.

    And we all pay it, one way or another.

    It would seem to me that the usurious rates that the credit cards charge for those foolish enough to carry a balance would be enough for them to be profitable without gouging the retailers with a sales tax that goes to a private, for profit enterprise.
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    Re: Wal-Mart opposes $6 billion Visa-MasterCard fee settlement

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I already read all that in preparation for your response.

    What company increases payroll on purpose, when the workload does not merit it?
    In fact, every single employer I've ever worked for tries to reign in hours, to those most necessary for the functions of the business.
    Otherwise a company will bleed money.
    The criticism is dumb as hell.

    Again we're back to, "why would a business purposefully over pay employees who have low/no skills?"
    Considering Wal-Mart pays less and offers fewer benefits and continually breaks the law and faces more lawsuits and fines than any other company I can find record of the answer to the questions above is "EVERYONE ELSE".

    Let me ask you this. Which do you think is more beneficial to our economy work

    A. Tax payers
    B. welfare recipients

    When you come up with that answer,

    answer me this

    Which one of the above does Wal Mart generate?

    Furthermore

    How did you come to the conclusion that someone who works at Wal Mart has low or no skills? With Wal Mart shutting down business who attempt to pay reasonable wages left and right some people are forced by the collapsing labor market to work under wal mart's conditions.

    In addition

    When you have a person who busts there ass full time at wal mart and does everything they can to get more hours and advance themselves any way possible why do you feel like they should not be given a living wage and rather they should be forced to rely on government to survive? Wouldnt you agree that the government should have less control over people?

    While you are answering questions

    Why would you support a company that consistently violates US labor and discrimination laws?
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    Re: Wal-Mart opposes $6 billion Visa-MasterCard fee settlement

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post

    You also have to prove that absent Walmart, these people on government assistance, would have higher paying jobs.
    So rather than making any actual attempt to refute any of the piles of information i supplied or even comment on it, or any attempt at a decent fact based rebuttal to anything or information of your own, you have nothing better than to ignore everything and instead focus on something that wasnt presented?

    The proof is very simple if you wanted to see it. Prior to Wal Mart changing the way businesses treated employees (or at least having a large part of it) People working in retail and manufacturing made a living wage and could support themselves. In order to compete with Wal Mart or attempt to, many companies are forced into the same practices which lowers the wages of everyone else. Furhtermore as I have already proven, Wal Mart pays less than the industry average by a lot.
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    Re: Wal-Mart opposes $6 billion Visa-MasterCard fee settlement

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Some of the rules in ADA are arbitrary and meticulous.
    Example: Height of a mirror or sink being an offense to sue for.
    Oh was Wal Mart fined for mirror height? And even if it was with all their exploitation of the lower and middle classes around the world and using these tactics to destroy our economy for their own personal gain is it really too much to ask that they follow the law?
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    Re: Wal-Mart opposes $6 billion Visa-MasterCard fee settlement

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post

    I don't have a problem with third world people working either.
    It's better they have some job, than no job, having to nose through garbage dumps looking for food.
    You dont have a problem with large corporations and governments exploiting the poor for their own personal gains as long as you get to save a little bit of money huh?
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    Re: Wal-Mart opposes $6 billion Visa-MasterCard fee settlement

    Keep ignoring the facts about walmart because you dont want to believe it. I know you are a reasonably intelligent person and if you wanted to view the information objectively and honestly you would. Instead like most people in this country you are blinded by your own selfishness and greed and would rather see yourself save a little bit of money than to see the american economy, world economy or people as a whole improve. I look forward to your next reply and hopefully that one will amount to more than an expansion of UH UH
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    Re: Wal-Mart opposes $6 billion Visa-MasterCard fee settlement

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Considering Wal-Mart pays less and offers fewer benefits and continually breaks the law and faces more lawsuits and fines than any other company I can find record of the answer to the questions above is "EVERYONE ELSE".

    Let me ask you this. Which do you think is more beneficial to our economy work

    A. Tax payers
    B. welfare recipients

    When you come up with that answer,

    answer me this

    Which one of the above does Wal Mart generate?
    Walmart doesn't "generate" people.
    People control their own lives.

    Walmart only offers a job to people who choose to take it.
    The qualifications for being a Walmart employee are basic, 8th grade level.
    Read, do basic addition and subtraction.

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Furthermore

    How did you come to the conclusion that someone who works at Wal Mart has low or no skills? With Wal Mart shutting down business who attempt to pay reasonable wages left and right some people are forced by the collapsing labor market to work under wal mart's conditions.
    Because working at Walmart requires no special abilities of skills.
    I used to work for a Walmart like business many moons ago.....when I was a teenager.

    Prove that absent Walmart, these people who be making higher wages...

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    In addition

    When you have a person who busts there ass full time at wal mart and does everything they can to get more hours and advance themselves any way possible why do you feel like they should not be given a living wage and rather they should be forced to rely on government to survive? Wouldnt you agree that the government should have less control over people?

    While you are answering questions
    Because a "living wage" is arbitrary.
    It's based on individual needs, wants, family size, localized cost of living, localized rate of inflation and many other factors.

    I can support my needs on $10 an hour, which is about average for what Walmart pays.
    There for it is a living wage, for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Why would you support a company that consistently violates US labor and discrimination laws?
    Just because something is illegal or someone is accused of doing something illegal, doesn't mean they're wrong.
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    Re: Wal-Mart opposes $6 billion Visa-MasterCard fee settlement

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    So rather than making any actual attempt to refute any of the piles of information i supplied or even comment on it, or any attempt at a decent fact based rebuttal to anything or information of your own, you have nothing better than to ignore everything and instead focus on something that wasnt presented?

    The proof is very simple if you wanted to see it. Prior to Wal Mart changing the way businesses treated employees (or at least having a large part of it) People working in retail and manufacturing made a living wage and could support themselves. In order to compete with Wal Mart or attempt to, many companies are forced into the same practices which lowers the wages of everyone else. Furhtermore as I have already proven, Wal Mart pays less than the industry average by a lot.
    Prove it.
    You haven't.
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