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Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver - Thread 2 [W:1/52]

Technically speaking, a crossbow is an assault weapon. So is a sling shot. So is a nuclear missile. But there is actual different categories. "Assault Weapons" are generally of military grade use. Of course SWAT wannabes also get to play with these type toys too.

What separates the M4 from military use is the grade of the round. 5.56 is ammo for military. It is illegal to use in the civilian world. Ranges are only authorized to sell and allow .223 It's a lower grade round with far less punch. Don't know which SWAT uses.

I hate to tell you this but that is not what separates the civilian version of the M4 and the military one. The only difference is the fact that a M4 or M16 shoots burst or full auto and the civilian is semi auto. Although civilians can buy full auto weapons like the M4 if they have the right paperwork. You can without a doubt buy M855 which is what the US uses. You can even buy the 118lr 7.62 sniper ammo that we use. Not that it is that big of a deal because there is a lot more effective ammo out there that what the military uses.
 
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Let's steer this thread back on topic and take the discussions of the M4, M16, ammo and other gun related topics elsewhere shall we?
 
His lack of training makes holding a rifle (even a short M4) cumbersome. His swiveling about looking for targets to spray took time. A pistol is far easier to maneuver in tight spots and can fix on targets without turning your waist. A flick of the wrist is all that is needed to completely change the trajectory path to a different part of the room. In close quarters or room clearing, a pistol is always preferable with the rifle slung on your back (unless you are the back element coming in to reinforce.)

I really dont want it to seem like I am being nit picky here but I hate seeing bad info put out here. NO ONE who knows what they are doing would prefer to clear a room with a pistol. I have had more than my fare share of CQB training both in SOF as well as from civilian run courses that were taught by former tier one instructors and no one ever even hints that it is a good idea to use a pistol as anything other than a secondary weapon. Rifles are just so much more effective as well as much much easier to operate effectively. For real military use a pistol will never be anything other than a secondary weapon for a reason. Also if he does not have any training a pistol will be much harder to use than a rifle will be. Put a optic like a red dot sight on a M4 and a 10 year old could shoot it accurately at the distance you often see inside a house.
 
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Saying 'military grade' is like saying 'space-age technology' or 'information-super-highway'.

You just sound like an idiot when you say it.

Thats why I love to show the ignorant this video:
 
....Personally, I think he was an overachiever. How many Chess Masters aren't exactly in tune with the rest of us? These kind of guys bake their brains.....
So it was a case of the "revenge of the nerds?"

Video games are absolutely a contributer of sorts to aggression. The 80s brought us such hits as Pacman and Asteroids. School violence and senseless shooting sprees didn't start until video games started bringing gore and violence. Also, the rise of so called Gangsta Rap. Also, it was the 80s when Hollywood started turning out violent gore as a part f the mainstream entertainment. All of this contributes to how our kids behave. And don't you dare spank one of them under Clinton's America. Today, kids shoot up school and theaters. We have metal detectors in schools and guards on airplanes. All of this began from the 80s on. A person would have to be a fool to pretend that all our mainstream glory has nothing to do with it.
Yeah, the 80's did seem to be a turning point, didn't it? The term the "me generation" was very aprapo.

Me generation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
I would have to say that if violent video games were an issue, then we would have a lot more cases like this. Anyone care to reference the total number of sales for games like Call of Duty, or Wolfenstein?

Simply put, over 75% of the entire population of the nations youth plays these games. If sales are any indicator. What, are they too broke to buy guns?

No. The issue is deeper than this. If you want violence, you need only flip on the news. I think that today's youth have learned that life is cheap. The question is, where have they been getting this message?
 
Batman shooter James Holmes sent chilling warning with details of shooting to psychiatrist


Batman shooter James Holmes sent chilling warning | News.com.au


If he really wanted someone to know he would have been more efficient in his transmittal of the information. Sending documentation through the US mail today is putting something on a very slow train. Email, telephone, carrier pigeon would have proved to be more a quicker means to communicate his plans. Holmes was very detailed and almost perfectionist in his his plans and follow through.
 
If he really wanted someone to know he would have been more efficient in his transmittal of the information. Sending documentation through the US mail today is putting something on a very slow train. Email, telephone, carrier pigeon would have proved to be more a quicker means to communicate his plans. Holmes was very detailed and almost perfectionist in his his plans and follow through.
Yes, quite, indubitably, that's what a reasonable person would do before shooting up a theater, indeed.

Cheerio good chap.
 
Yes, quite, indubitably, that's what a reasonable person would do before shooting up a theater, indeed.

Cheerio good chap.

The assertion is that Holmes was giving a warning. Being "reasonable" does not enter the equation. Holmes was very proficient in his communicative abilities. There are stories where he was attempted to join a gun club but was rejected as he communicated a strangeness about himself.
 
The assertion is that Holmes was giving a warning. Being "reasonable" does not enter the equation. Holmes was very proficient in his communicative abilities. There are stories where he was attempted to join a gun club but was rejected as he communicated a strangeness about himself.
Yeah, the owner of the club after hearing the voicemail left to him by Holmes issued an order that if he were to go onto premises to try to finalize membership the owner was to be immediately notified so he could deal with the situation by rejecting and removal from premises. That says all you need to know, when an owner will drop all other business to deal with that kind of problem.
 
The assertion is that Holmes was giving a warning. Being "reasonable" does not enter the equation. Holmes was very proficient in his communicative abilities. There are stories where he was attempted to join a gun club but was rejected as he communicated a strangeness about himself.
Soooo you want to lock-down private firearms because a loon didn't communicate his intent to your satisfaction.

Yeahhhh....you folks are bananas.
 
Soooo you want to lock-down private firearms because a loon didn't communicate his intent to your satisfaction.

Yeahhhh....you folks are bananas.
I didn't get that from his posts. What I do get from the entire incident is that there were warning signs that went unnoticed, unfortunately that seems to be a constant among these shootings. Pearl Miss., Columbine, the U.T. clocktower shooting of the '60s, this incident, etc. there always seems to be something "off" and plenty of warning signs. I think rather than locking down private arms it should be easier to have people that seem dangerous with a witness to have them monitored more easily legally, and I'm not talking about an off day, but when the owner of a gun range thinks this person is dangerously off his rocker that owner should be able to set in motion some way to keep an eye on them by authorities.
 
Soooo you want to lock-down private firearms because a loon didn't communicate his intent to your satisfaction.

Yeahhhh....you folks are bananas.

That's not what he said at all Jerry. Stop trolling.
 
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