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    Quote Originally Posted by CHARMtheMEDIA View Post
    If you are planning on mass murdering squirrels and racoons, then yes.... a 22lr semi-auto could be an assault weapon...lol
    Thats kinda my point. If we go by the definition of assault then all weapons could be considered assault weapons if they are used to harm someone. A bat or golf club could be an assault weapon if it is used as such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
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    I'd ammend the assault-weapons ban and get rid of the silly thing about pistol grips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHARMtheMEDIA View Post
    A little off topic here, but you want my honest opinion why the US has higher violent crime rates?
    It's not the guns..
    It's the fact that cases can be tied up in court for years.
    It's the fact that convicted murders sit in air conditioned jail cells.
    It's the fact that they get TV, a gym, and three meals a day.
    Try finding that in 75% of any other country's prisons.
    Hell it's better on the inside for some ghetto hoods
    I don't think the public cares as long as the perps are off the streets. From what I understand, it's not fun to be in prison for any length of time whether it is has TVs or not. Access to TVs probably makes it harder because the prisoners can see what they are missing in the outside world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
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    What does 123456789 mean. I've seen people post that before and I don't get it. Enlighten me.

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    My heart goes out to the parents who will be burying their children in the coming days.

    I hope that something positive can come of this tragedy.

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    re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver - Thread 2 [W:1/52]

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I do wonder what theaters are going to address as far as their safety protocol goes. I had gone to see a movie that showed in the smallest theater, don't remember which one but they used the E.exits as primaries for but it led to the parking lot after the movie finished, that would necessitate that the alarm had to be disabled or that they had the door unlocked and it could open without the push bar. The only way this kid could have propped up the door to get out was if it remained unlocked for him to open it, had the push bar been necessary it would have triggered the alarm, it's tied to the lock and bar mechanism.

    I do wonder if not only theaters but other establishments will start to take those doors more seriously.
    Here's the basic set up. All these exit doors are usually wired into the office, and sometimes up to the projectionist's booth, and sometimes even to a panel near where the head usher is situated, so that a light goes on when opened. It is expected when a movie ends, and so would not rate extra attention. But during a show, and for more than a few seconds, is when someone would be sent to check. The usual culprits are someone letting friends in the back. There is no need to disable the alert that the door is open. These are also not as the emergency exits we see at the back of a retail store, that are loudly alarmed.

    Virtually ever Cinema will have an alarm system for when it is truly shut down for the night. That would include a sensor on every door to begin with. So having it also as able to register just as "open" during normal hours is not a stretch.

    The easiest way to prop one open is such as a piece of wood. All these doors have the panic bar, which begins to engage once the door is closed to within about 1/2". The open alert is simply a pair of magnets at the top, which enable/disable a circuit. Had Holmes scoped it out first, say earlier in the week, he may have tested such, that is seeing if he could prop it open, and if anyone reacted after 5-10 minutes. Or, if he checked closer, most panic bars have a hole, in which you can insert an allen wrench, and once depressed in the "open" or "unlocked" position, then lock the bar open with a half-turn. It is still potentially a little problematic to open from the outside, as it closes flush, and there is no handle. But it would register as "closed" while also being unlocked.

    I suspect that the theater had the magnetic sensors on the doors, and a system which indicated that the door was open. That is more standard than not. And that they didn't notice, perhaps understaffed with the midnight showings, or not paying attention, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I don't think the public cares as long as the perps are off the streets. From what I understand, it's not fun to be in prison for any length of time whether it is has TVs or not. Access to TVs probably makes it harder because the prisoners can see what they are missing in the outside world.
    The public doesn't care, the prisoners do though.
    I knew some people who owned a restaurant. They had prisoners that got bussed in from the prison worked 8 hours and got bussed back for a work release program. All the money they earned they got when released. A few of the guys got their jollies with a few of the waitresses during their breaks. Admittedly these were not murders, but some were convicted of grand theft and garnishing a weapon.
    Isn't that nice?
    What more could they want?
    A place to sleep free- check
    Food for free - check
    A/C and TV free - check
    Fitness center free - check
    Job - check
    Sexual desires satisfied - check
    Ok
    Maybe not ALL inmates are this lucky, but the fact that this occurs at all is appauling.
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    re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver - Thread 2 [W:1/52]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    So if all semi-automatic firearms can rapid fire, could you put them into a single category or classification of weapons?
    Yes.

    A semi-automatic can be defined by a weapon that reloads after firing one round with each trigger pull. A slow acting revolver is a semi-automatic. A Glock with a magazine is a semi-automatic. An M4 rifle is a semi-automatic.

    An automatic can be defined by a weapon that fires multiple rounds per trigger pull. A military grade machine gun will fire every round in the belt or magazine as long as the trigger is depressed (though it will jam up so the 3-5 round burst applies).

    A bolt action is neither. It is "moot." So is a musket.

    Incidentally, even our military M4s and M16A4s are both. They are semi-auto until you switch the "selector switch" to BURST. Both rifles then spit out three rounds per trigger pull. It is a waste of ammo since round 2 and 3 are off target, but it does create cover fire for troops on the move.


    But back to the Joker.....he would have been deadlier at close range like that with a glock pistol. His magazine reload would have been after 10 or 14 rounds depending on the model.

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    re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver - Thread 2 [W:1/52]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    But technically speaking, aren't all firearms assault weapons?
    Technically speaking, a crossbow is an assault weapon. So is a sling shot. So is a nuclear missile. But there is actual different categories. "Assault Weapons" are generally of military grade use. Of course SWAT wannabes also get to play with these type toys too.

    What separates the M4 from military use is the grade of the round. 5.56 is ammo for military. It is illegal to use in the civilian world. Ranges are only authorized to sell and allow .223 It's a lower grade round with far less punch. Don't know which SWAT uses.
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    re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver - Thread 2 [W:1/52]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    What does 123456789 mean. I've seen people post that before and I don't get it. Enlighten me.
    The forum software won't allow you to post anything less than 10 characters so if a short answer is all that's needed, posters will either type "12345678910" etc or actually type "10 characters" after their initial response.

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