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    Re: Officials: Police officer mistakenly kills son at Old Forge motel

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Ya, something doesn't smell right here. How does someone with the training of a LEO shoot first and ask questions later? That is out of character, not impossible, but not the norm.
    The man is 59 years old. He's lived a whole life going from bullet proof to paranoid. I couldn't feel sorrier for him if I tried. No parent ever wants to bury a child of their own, much less be the reason for the funeral.

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    If your going to be a gun owner, you need to be a responsible one.

    1st carry a flashlight (either mounted to your firearm or in your non-dominant hand).. Never shoot at what you cannot identify.
    2nd develope action plans for home invasions. Talk to your children about what they should do. Namely staying put.
    3rd make sure your children know that there is a gun in the house and if they are going to be wandering around the house at 1am they should announce it.
    4th and most importantly.. SEEK TRAINING! Damn it, if your going to own a gun train with it so you dont do stupid things like this.

    Sure this guy was a LEO (law enforcement officer).. Did you know most LEOs are only required to fire their pistols once a year, none are trained to preform under pressure unless they seek tactical training of their own, which is not required.

    There are also 4 basic rules of gun safety, had this officer knew them and complied with them, he would not have shot his son.
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    Re: Officials: Police officer mistakenly kills son at Old Forge motel

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Because you're using a horrible and PERSONAL tragedy to further a political agenda that doesn't really care about the circumstances under which this tragic accident took place. That's why.
    yep not only that but is argument is illogical and dishonest at best. No one objective takes it seriously.
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    Re: Officials: Police officer mistakenly kills son at Old Forge motel

    He thought his son Matthew S. Leach, 37, also of Rochester, was an intruder when he shot him around12:50 a.m. inside the motel room, police said
    I wonder if the father was somewhat disoriented due to the fact he was in a motel room. There is not sufficient info on this to determine what was going on.
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    Re: Officials: Police officer mistakenly kills son at Old Forge motel

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    The man is 59 years old. He's lived a whole life going from bullet proof to paranoid. I couldn't feel sorrier for him if I tried. No parent ever wants to bury a child of their own, much less be the reason for the funeral.
    You don't know what his mental state is. You know nothing about him. He could have shot his son out of hate, fear, paranoia, mistaken identification, or a whole host of reasons. To just assume he shot him and is sorry about it is wrong. He may not be sorry.
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    Re: Officials: Police officer mistakenly kills son at Old Forge motel

    and this is why I am armed to the teeth but none of my weapons are lethal. I've only had to use them once and the SOB ran like hell when he saw the sparks flying from my stun baton.

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    Re: Officials: Police officer mistakenly kills son at Old Forge motel

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Firearms must be used with discretion. That a police office killed his own son is scary...but there's a detail in the story that makes it ever worse: At first, paramedics could not find an entry wound to the victim, but it then was located in the right back area, Rivet said.

    Not only did he shoot his son, he shot him in the back. There is no way I can see that he could have legitimately perceived the person in his room as a threat to him, especially with his back turned. No warning, no shout, no "freeze", no attempt to identify the person in the room before blasting away?

    The only law I know in this situation is California state law, don't know what the law is in New York, but California states that justifiable homicide must meet one of two conditions: the person shooting must be "in bare fear" of death or grave bodily injury from an attacker, or the person being shot must have broken in, in which case it is assumed that the person is a danger. Unless we know more about this situation and the details of New York law, I will have to reserve judgement in the law. But I find it hard to believe that this cop is in the right.
    In FL, if someone breaks into your home you can shoot them. Period, end of story. It doesn't matter if they are armed or running.

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    Re: Officials: Police officer mistakenly kills son at Old Forge motel

    Police officers are like everyone else...they get scared, when you wake up from a sound sleep and see someone in your hotel room when there shouldnt be anyone there..makes for increased adrenaline etc...We dont know how dark the room was...what the shooter could see...He may have woke up startled and just grabbed his gun and fired...either way hes suffering a horrific loss that I wouldnt want to live with.

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    Re: Officials: Police officer mistakenly kills son at Old Forge motel

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    You don't know what his mental state is. You know nothing about him. He could have shot his son out of hate, fear, paranoia, mistaken identification, or a whole host of reasons. To just assume he shot him and is sorry about it is wrong. He may not be sorry.
    You're right. He might have had a motive.

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