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    Re: Aurora shooting...Holmes had planned to escape.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    That reminds me of this guy I know (he's well known in these parts) who has been managing restaurants in town for about 20 years. He has a long history of cheating people, failing to pay employees, paying employees under the table, and filling up absolut bottles with rail vodka. There's more but I'll leave it at that. Even so, a lot of people say "well he's actually a great guy." Well, no, he's not a great guy, he cheats his customers, he cheats his employees, and his actions are clearly unethical.

    Mama always used to say "stupid is as stupid does." Holmes is stupid. And he's insane.
    Believe Holmes does meet many/most of the dictionary definitions for the word "insane". But do not think he is going to qualify as insane under any of the legal definitions that our court system abides by.


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    Re: Aurora shooting...Holmes had planned to escape.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    Believe Holmes does meet many/most of the dictionary definitions for the word "insane". But do not think he is going to qualify as insane under any of the legal definitions that our court system abides by.
    I don't think he was insane either. I think he was a flaming moron.
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    Re: Aurora shooting...Holmes had planned to escape.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he was stone cold sober. People are going to look for something that made him “snap” and maybe there is something. But some people are also just born sociopaths. And an intelligent sociopath who has decided to kill is pretty damn hard to stop until people have actually died. People like him feel special and feel that the world should know how great they are. My money is on this guy being someone who desired to be infamous.
    I think eventually we will find some of this out. He did it for a reason, so you think he'll want to make his reason know. He is alive afterall. I could have killed himself and left us all confused.

    I think he was sober too.

    And one expert did say, the only time he looked up in court was when the media was mentioned. He also set up a bunch of dating profiles with the head, "Will you visit me in jail?"

    I personally thought he looked weak and cowardly in the courtroom.

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    Re: Aurora shooting...Holmes had planned to escape.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    In the Dark Knight? Essentially, attempting to upset the percieved order and general rigidness of society by attempting to show how much of an illusion it is and how quickly people veer from it. Few quotes from it that best sum it up:





    He's got few real points, because his point is chaos. The movie gives a number of "motivations" that led him to what he was, most likely all of them false, because the point of the Joker in that movies wasn't that there is some sympathetic reason he's doing what he's doing or some clear cut intent. He's chaos, anarchy, pure and simple.

    As to this guy thinking he's The Joker...to be frank, I think this is the media sensationalizing and running off something horribly ignorantly. Even if he said it, I'd put more stock in the notion that he did it because it'd cause the sensationalist things rather than an honest belief in emulating it. Here's why I think it, and I think the media are ****ing idiots sometimes.

    They keep talking about "Joker" hair. Here's this guy:



    And here's the joker:



    Now, perhaps I've suddenly been afflicted by some sight disorder dealing with color...but one seems red/orange to me and the other green. OMG, you're right media, his hair is like The Jokers! (Thankfully Ledger thought better about the Muttin Chops)

    In regards to style...again, doesn't really work. Perhaps you could argue the boobytrap at the home was somewhat similar in the fact it used trip wire on grenades, but that's also hardly something unique to The Joker. However, entering into a theater in full swat gear and just gunning down people...decidingly unlike the style of The Joker from that movie.

    They keep going with the notion that he "He wanted to get caught, just like in the movie!"...except then a story comes out that the goal of the bombs at his house was to hopefully divert police attention there so that he could perhaps slip out of the theater impersonating a SWAT individual. And even beyond that, the Joker did not get caught was to be able to gain access to someone else, not simply to "Get caught". It's just as likely that the guy in the end couldn't take his own life or didn't want to engage cops, and got caught, then it was part of some diabolical plan in his head.

    The "This guy thinks he's joker" thing is something I think is being ignorantly stirred up to ridiculous proportions by the media
    I didn't see the Dark Knight... but did the Joker target mass killings of innocent people? And yes, this guy is nuts and probably delusional. You never see the Joker in court and being charged, right? Maybe that's why he looked so vulnerable and meek in the courtroom.

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    Re: Aurora shooting...Holmes had planned to escape.

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    I always wanted to try khat, traditionally used socially and openly. A mild stimulant/euphoric. So I checked out bath salts online. What was available ranged from poor analogues of the real thing all the way to an overwhelming meth like high. (I passed, sounded like just another no fun legal high, ill.just have to wait until I meet some Somalis)
    It's legal in Kenya, and also called Miraa. There's two kinds, one leaf-based (grown in wet areas) and one stalk/bark based (grown in dry areas). The stalk/bark based one (that's the part you eat) is higher quality. It's a mild amphetamine. It was illegal in Somalia until Al-Shabab was routed recently. It's illegal in Tanzania (but Tanzania is very lax with weed).

    Catha edulis, commonly called Arabian tea,[1] khat,[1] qat, gat, or miraa,
    Khat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I think the names "qat" and "gat" are a matter of the amount of time since picked.

    It costs ~$0.5 for enough to get a buzz for a couple hours and ~$1 for the effect to last late into the night (in Kenya).

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    Re: Aurora shooting...Holmes had planned to escape.

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I didn't see the Dark Knight... but did the Joker target mass killings of innocent people? And yes, this guy is nuts and probably delusional. You never see the Joker in court and being charged, right? Maybe that's why he looked so vulnerable and meek in the courtroom.
    You're missing out on an excellent movie. In that movie the Joker did try to kill two ships of people; one ship full of innocents, and one primarily filled with convicts, iirc. The way the Joker was portrayed in that movie, he may be seen as either delusional, or hyper-sane/intelligent and philosophical, not caring much about humanity or human life.

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    Re: Aurora shooting...Holmes had planned to escape.

    Dude can't be all that smart, if he thought he was going to get away with it. Even if the apt fire plan worked...what then? Live in the woods for the rest of his life? The gun and bullet purchases were easily traced to him. Cops woulda known it was him before the sun had come up, even suspected such sooner once the cause of the fire was determined. Where would he have gone? Drove to FL, then try to get a boat to Cuba, lol? Seems to me, if he REALY desired to not get caught, then he's a pretty short sighted idiot.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Aurora shooting...Holmes had planned to escape.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It's legal in Kenya, and also called Miraa. There's two kinds, one leaf-based (grown in wet areas) and one stalk/bark based (grown in dry areas). The stalk/bark based one (that's the part you eat) is higher quality. It's a mild amphetamine. It was illegal in Somalia until Al-Shabab was routed recently. It's illegal in Tanzania (but Tanzania is very lax with weed).


    Khat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I think the names "qat" and "gat" are a matter of the amount of time since picked.

    It costs ~$0.5 for enough to get a buzz for a couple hours and ~$1 for the effect to last late into the night (in Kenya).
    The Somali bit was because khat was being used by our significant Somali population here in San Diego.
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    Re: Aurora shooting...Holmes had planned to escape.

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    The Somali bit was because khat was being used by our significant Somali population here in San Diego.
    I see. They'll be glad to hear that it is once again legal in Somalia. And so is soccer. And women going to school. Well, you get the idea.

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    Re: Aurora shooting...Holmes had planned to escape.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post

    Had the trap worked, fireball alone would have blown up and consumed the entire third floor of the apartment building,” a source told the LA Times.
    Holmes told cops about the bombs after his arrest, bolstering the theory that he had laid his trap so he could wreak more havoc at the theater before making a getaway.
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