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    Re: Aurora shooting...Holmes had planned to escape.

    It's not as simple as just anger. I think that people that are in highly stressful situations for long times suffer from permanent brain damage as a result, that may manifest itself slowly over time, or a switch might get flipped all at once.

    I think there is something in Holmes' past that might explain all this. In the case of Charles Whitman, an overbearing father who demanded perfection, and Whitman's inability to satisfy his fathers standards, are imo what caused him to snap. Everything about what he said and did leading up to his shootings at the University of Texas at Austin suggests the same. Workplace shootings too, hating the job but needing to keep it, putting up with crap and worrying about getting fired can make a person severly stressed. Then get fired...it can set some people off.
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    Re: Aurora shooting...Holmes had planned to escape.

    Bath salts?

    Much as it pains me, sounds like a drug precipitated meltdown.

    Stimulants.

    Meth, coke, or the synthetic khat that was (is?) In bath salts.

    I always wanted to try khat, traditionally used socially and openly. A mild stimulant/euphoric. So I checked out bath salts online. What was available ranged from poor analogues of the real thing all the way to an overwhelming meth like high. (I passed, sounded like just another no fun legal high, ill.just have to wait until I meet some Somalis)

    Takes a while for these drugs to bring this kind of stuff out of the average person.

    But they can shove the fragile or overstressed RIGHT over the edge.
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    Re: Aurora shooting...Holmes had planned to escape.

    They should drug test him, definitely... but I am sure they already did. He doesn't seem to have drug ties to anybody though. He was mostly a loner.

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    Re: Aurora shooting...Holmes had planned to escape.

    I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he was stone cold sober. People are going to look for something that made him “snap” and maybe there is something. But some people are also just born sociopaths. And an intelligent sociopath who has decided to kill is pretty damn hard to stop until people have actually died. People like him feel special and feel that the world should know how great they are. My money is on this guy being someone who desired to be infamous.

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    Re: Aurora shooting...Holmes had planned to escape.

    If he really is "a genius" like the media says, and if he really wants to be the joker... then he's gotta escape from jail. Otherwise, he's just another dumb**** that will be forgot about in a few months.
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    Re: Aurora shooting...Holmes had planned to escape.

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I didn't really watch Batman, but I don't recall the Joker killing mass people and being heavily armed. What was the Jokers main goal anyway?
    In the Dark Knight? Essentially, attempting to upset the percieved order and general rigidness of society by attempting to show how much of an illusion it is and how quickly people veer from it. Few quotes from it that best sum it up:

    The Joker: Hmmm? You know... You know what I've noticed? Nobody panics when things go "according to plan." Even if the plan is horrifying! If, tomorrow, I tell the press that, like, a gang banger will get shot, or a truckload of soldiers will be blown up, nobody panics, because it's all "part of the plan". But when I say that one little old mayor will die, well then everyone loses their minds!
    [Joker hands Two-Face a gun and points it at himself]
    The Joker: Introduce a little anarchy. Upset the established order, and everything becomes chaos. I'm an agent of chaos. Oh, and you know the thing about chaos? It's fair!
    You see, their morals, their code, it's a bad joke. Dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these... these civilized people, they'll eat each other. See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve
    He's got few real points, because his point is chaos. The movie gives a number of "motivations" that led him to what he was, most likely all of them false, because the point of the Joker in that movies wasn't that there is some sympathetic reason he's doing what he's doing or some clear cut intent. He's chaos, anarchy, pure and simple.

    As to this guy thinking he's The Joker...to be frank, I think this is the media sensationalizing and running off something horribly ignorantly. Even if he said it, I'd put more stock in the notion that he did it because it'd cause the sensationalist things rather than an honest belief in emulating it. Here's why I think it, and I think the media are ****ing idiots sometimes.

    They keep talking about "Joker" hair. Here's this guy:



    And here's the joker:



    Now, perhaps I've suddenly been afflicted by some sight disorder dealing with color...but one seems red/orange to me and the other green. OMG, you're right media, his hair is like The Jokers! (Thankfully Ledger thought better about the Muttin Chops)

    In regards to style...again, doesn't really work. Perhaps you could argue the boobytrap at the home was somewhat similar in the fact it used trip wire on grenades, but that's also hardly something unique to The Joker. However, entering into a theater in full swat gear and just gunning down people...decidingly unlike the style of The Joker from that movie.

    They keep going with the notion that he "He wanted to get caught, just like in the movie!"...except then a story comes out that the goal of the bombs at his house was to hopefully divert police attention there so that he could perhaps slip out of the theater impersonating a SWAT individual. And even beyond that, the Joker did not get caught was to be able to gain access to someone else, not simply to "Get caught". It's just as likely that the guy in the end couldn't take his own life or didn't want to engage cops, and got caught, then it was part of some diabolical plan in his head.

    The "This guy thinks he's joker" thing is something I think is being ignorantly stirred up to ridiculous proportions by the media

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    Re: Aurora shooting...Holmes had planned to escape.

    Zyphlin, there has been more than one Joker... you know? Plus, even in that movie:

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    I don't know why you think that's been "played up". If he idolized him in any way, and then went into a Batman movie and slaughtered people, I'd say that's a big part of the story.
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    Re: Aurora shooting...Holmes had planned to escape.

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Zyphlin, there has been more than one Joker... you know? Plus, even in that movie:
    The picture you posted is the Joker, in a wig, for all of a few moments in the movie. Trying to look "like the joker" and mimicing a whig he wears for roughly a minute would inherently throw into question the sincerity of the notion of trying to "be the joker".

    Also, the Joker has almost in all cases traditionally been depicted as having Green Hair (or at best, black with green highlights). In Comics:




    Video games:



    Cartoons:



    Movies:



    And TV:



    Green Hair is kind of iconic to the character's look. If someone is trying to "Be the Joker" it'd be like trying to "Be Superman" and wearing a Orange Suit instead of Blue.

    I think it's played up because it's based off generally speculative things, often seemingly speculated by people completely ignorant of the source material they're speuclating about, or statements by the kid, who we're seemingly told is a "genius" and "crazy" at the same time and we're supposed to magically believe couldn't possibly be stating the things for reasons other than the desire to be purely honest in his beliefs.

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    Re: Aurora shooting...Holmes had planned to escape.

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    They should drug test him, definitely... but I am sure they already did. He doesn't seem to have drug ties to anybody though. He was mostly a loner.
    Reports I've seen indicate that he bought thousands of dollars worth of weaponry, body armor and ammo just weeks before the crime.

    Where the heck does a college student who worked at McDonalds get that kind of money?

    I'm speculating that perhaps this guy was dealing drugs on the side or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Reports I've seen indicate that he bought thousands of dollars worth of weaponry, body armor and ammo just weeks before the crime.

    Where the heck does a college student who worked at McDonalds get that kind of money?

    I'm speculating that perhaps this guy was dealing drugs on the side or something.
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