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    Re: Aurora shooting...Holmes had planned to escape.

    All I got to say is is that he was an evil genius.
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    Re: Aurora shooting...Holmes had planned to escape.

    Looked like he had pinkish reddish hair on the tube today, first thing I thought was that he probably dyed his hair as part of some escape plan.

    It didn't look much like the hair in those normal looking pictures that had been shown.


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    as I noted, its better that 10 nutjobs get guns than one good person be wrongly disarmed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    Pretty safe conclusion that he's a nutter. But it is sounding more and more like he was literally trying to create a Batman movie caliber masacre/disaster. And then disappear into the night like a "Jokeresque" Batman arch-villian.

    Getting a little creepy. Creepier yet because it doesn't look he was all that far away from pulling it off. Dunno. Guess we can expect more details from the investigation and the trial....
    I didn't really watch Batman, but I don't recall the Joker killing mass people and being heavily armed. What was the Jokers main goal anyway?

    Also, why didn't he just call the cops on himself for loud music? It seems like that would have worked better. Not that I want to give him tips on being a maniac, but he could have done a better job at his diabolical plot... Diabolical plots to fail like that in the movies.

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    Re: Aurora shooting...Holmes had planned to escape.

    If this is true, I'm very curious what his long term plan was. Clearly the cops would have made the connection between the apartment bombing and the mass killing so they would be looking for him. Where did he plan to go? What did he plan to do? Did he have fake ID's, sources of money, a safe house?

    Looks like a small amount of happenstance, like in Columbine, helped to reduce the death toll. Erich Harris and Dylan Klebold had made pipebombs to go off at exits in the school campus so that everyone would come running out of the main entrance, where they were waiting to fire on the concentrated students. The bombs were duds, which forced them to go classroom to classroom.

    I'm also curious what his reasoning was for revealing the booby traps. If he wanted to lash out at the world, why not let them blunder in to the apartment and take out more people? The only thing I can assume is that since the cops had him in custody, he wanted to give himself as much a chance as possible with the cops...I'm guessing that he thought his life in prison would be much harder as a cop killer.

    Also, once the jig was up and he knew he was going to be captured, why didn't he commit suicide? In most cases of mass shootings, this is how the whole scenario ends. Perhaps his dazed look in the courtroom for his hearing yesterday reveals that he wished he did. He's facing decades of incarceration with a needle possibly at the end of it, with very low quality of life. I'm sure the high of feeling like God in the devil's body was the greatest buzz of his life. The buzz is over now. His world has gone flat and grey, and it will never get better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Utility Man View Post
    Looked like he had pinkish reddish hair on the tube today, first thing I thought was that he probably dyed his hair as part of some escape plan.

    It didn't look much like the hair in those normal looking pictures that had been shown.


    Aurora Shooting Suspect James Holmes Appears in Court; Mugshot Released : People.com
    I saw him on TV and I thought he had Charles Manson eyes... they kept bugging out. He looks like he is off balance.

    I am wondering why somebody would want to be the Joker, and people said he seemed fine months ago. What happened to him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    What was the Jokers main goal anyway?
    "...some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with.

    Some men just want to watch the world burn." --- Alfred, The Dark Knight

    "This world rejects me
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    this world never gave me a chance
    this world's gonna have to pay

    Well I don't believe in your institutions
    I did what you wanted me to
    Like the cancer in the system
    I've got a little surprise for you

    Something inside of me, has opened up it's eyes
    Why did you put it there? Did you not realize?
    This thing inside of me, it screams the loudest sound
    Sometimes I think I could...

    I'm gonna burn this whole world down" -- Nine Inch Nails, "Burn"
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    Re: Aurora shooting...Holmes had planned to escape.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    If this is true, I'm very curious what his long term plan was. Clearly the cops would have made the connection between the apartment bombing and the mass killing so they would be looking for him. Where did he plan to go? What did he plan to do? Did he have fake ID's, sources of money, a safe house?

    Looks like a small amount of happenstance, like in Columbine, helped to reduce the death toll. Erich Harris and Dylan Klebold had made pipebombs to go off at exits in the school campus so that everyone would come running out of the main entrance, where they were waiting to fire on the concentrated students. The bombs were duds, which forced them to go classroom to classroom.

    I'm also curious what his reasoning was for revealing the booby traps. If he wanted to lash out at the world, why not let them blunder in to the apartment and take out more people? The only thing I can assume is that since the cops had him in custody, he wanted to give himself as much a chance as possible with the cops...I'm guessing that he thought his life in prison would be much harder as a cop killer.

    Also, once the jig was up and he knew he was going to be captured, why didn't he commit suicide? In most cases of mass shootings, this is how the whole scenario ends. Perhaps his dazed look in the courtroom for his hearing yesterday reveals that he wished he did. He's facing decades of incarceration with a needle possibly at the end of it, with very low quality of life. I'm sure the high of feeling like God in the devil's body was the greatest buzz of his life. The buzz is over now. His world has gone flat and grey, and it will never get better.
    I have wondered the same things too.

    I heard he took a lot of powerful painkillers before the shooting, and the experts said it was probably because he was expecting to get shot and killed. He was wearing a lot of bullet proof gear, and it couldn't be penetrated by the guns cop's carry. They said he could have had a big battle with the officers as well.

    Who knows... maybe he got scared... maybe he realized he didn't want to die...

    I wonder how he got to this point though.

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    Re: Aurora shooting...Holmes had planned to escape.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    "...some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with.

    Some men just want to watch the world burn." --- Alfred, The Dark Knight

    "This world rejects me
    this world threw me away
    this world never gave me a chance
    this world's gonna have to pay

    Well I don't believe in your institutions
    I did what you wanted me to
    Like the cancer in the system
    I've got a little surprise for you

    Something inside of me, has opened up it's eyes
    Why did you put it there? Did you not realize?
    This thing inside of me, it screams the loudest sound
    Sometimes I think I could...

    I'm gonna burn this whole world down" -- Nine Inch Nails, "Burn"
    So the Joker is just angry about something and taking it out on the world.

    What happened to James Holmes that made him so mad? That is, if he is angry and not just delusional or something.

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    Re: Aurora shooting...Holmes had planned to escape.

    An acquaintance of the Colorado 'Dark Knight' gunman has been questioned by police over a phone threat to have the shooter released from jail.

    Yeom Pyo Lee was sought by officials after police received a message from his telephone threatening violence if James Holmes was not released from police custody.
    Read more: Aurora shooting: Dark Night Rises gunman James Holmes' classmate questioned by police | Mail Online
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    There were, by most estimates, 500 Nazis in Charlottesville. One of them went homicidal. Not all Nazis are violent extremists. You are trying to rationalize your hatred and it's simply not rational.
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    as I noted, its better that 10 nutjobs get guns than one good person be wrongly disarmed.

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    Re: Aurora shooting...Holmes had planned to escape.

    I understand that the V Tech shooter was bullied most of his life and had anger.

    I still don't know why the kids at Columbine did what they did... never really read much into it

    James Holmes... as far as I know, he was not a victim of bullies his entire life. But one expert on TV said he wouldn't be surprised if he was abused or sexually abused, because of his response to the police. Police are an authority figure, and he did not resist them. Said he is probably uncomfortable with resisting authority figures because of some kind of abuse. That could explain anger too. .. but it's all just speculation of course.

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