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    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Terrible comparison. The charges in the Duke Lacrosse case were dropped after it was revealed that the investigation was a complete sham and there was no compelling evidence against the players. By contrast, Jerry Sandusky currently sits in prison, convicted of 45 counts related to sexual molestation, and the going bet that it will stay that way is right about 100%. Furthermore, there was none of this cover-up culture at Duke that Penn State had. The Duke Lacrosse Scandal came out of nowhere, and that university wasn't dumb enough to cover up the investigation and evidence when it got underway. Penn State, on the other hand, had administrators that knew what Sandusky was doing yet swept it all under the rug, continuing to brainwash their followers with this whole "Happy Valley" crap. And now we're seeing the withdrawal symptoms of their fans, who seem to have more sympathy for a freakin' football program than for the abused boys. Unbelievable.
    But it's not a terrible comparison. Sandusky is 100% guilty, we know that because it has been proven in a court of law, decided by a jury. Sandusky's crimes aren't the reason that Penn State is being punished. They're being punished for the cover up of those crimes by a few individuals, and at this point in time it is just alleged, not yet proven in a court of law. Why would the NCAA act without proof?

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    Re: Penn State sanctions: $60M, bowl ban

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    But it's not a terrible comparison. Sandusky is 100% guilty, we know that because it has been proven in a court of law, decided by a jury. Sandusky's crimes aren't the reason that Penn State is being punished. They're being punished for the cover up of those crimes by a few individuals, and at this point in time it is just alleged, not yet proven in a court of law. Why would the NCAA act without proof?
    The punishment should probably have waited until the dust settled. Who knows, maybe when this is all said and done, the NCAA will realize the punishment wasn't enough.

    I'm torn here. I hate the mentality "punish everyone instead of the few," but it's hard not to understand why. The University as a whole may not be guilty, but those in charge are, and if they were the only ones punished, then what would stop the University from hiring morally corrupt individuals again? Nothing. I am not going to argue in favor or against the punishment because, honestly, there isn't a punishment big enough to heal anyone's pain. That's not going to happen until everyone who is personally affected is dead and gone. Maybe not even then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    The punishment should probably have waited until the dust settled. Who knows, maybe when this is all said and done, the NCAA will realize the punishment wasn't enough.

    I'm torn here. I hate the mentality "punish everyone instead of the few," but it's hard not to understand why. The University as a whole may not be guilty, but those in charge are, and if they were the only ones punished, then what would stop the University from hiring morally corrupt individuals again? Nothing. I am not going to argue in favor or against the punishment because, honestly, there isn't a punishment big enough to heal anyone's pain. That's not going to happen until everyone who is personally affected is dead and gone. Maybe not even then.
    I'm not arguing that Penn State's punishment is too harsh, I don't even think it's really that bad of a punishment and it won't effect their football team too badly at all. I just think that punishment was handed down prematurely.

    Again, Penn State is not being punished by the NCAA for Sandusky's crimes. Penn State is being punished by the NCAA for a few individuals allegedly covering up Sandusky's crimes. None of those individuals has yet been found guilty in a court of law of covering up Sandusky's crimes, so there isn't anything for the NCAA to punish yet.
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    Re: Penn State sanctions: $60M, bowl ban

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    But it's not a terrible comparison. Sandusky is 100% guilty, we know that because it has been proven in a court of law, decided by a jury. Sandusky's crimes aren't the reason that Penn State is being punished. They're being punished for the cover up of those crimes by a few individuals, and at this point in time it is just alleged, not yet proven in a court of law. Why would the NCAA act without proof?
    To claim that is to claim that the Freeh Report may be false. The burden is on you to prove that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    To claim that is to claim that the Freeh Report may be false. The burden is on you to prove that.
    No, the burden is on the prosecution to prove, in a court of law, that Paterno, Schultz, Curley and Spanier covered up Sandusky's crimes. That's not Louis Freeh's job, and his report doesn't prove anything.

    Have you even read the Freeh report? Read the entire thing, not just the snippets that the media gives us in the news.
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    Re: Penn State sanctions: $60M, bowl ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Akston View Post
    That's not the case at all. The fans aren't happy with what happened at all and the overwhelming majority care about the boys far more than the football program. But they, like me, have the mindset that you punish those responsible, not punish so many more for the actions of a few. I felt the punishment was a tad harsh, but it is what it is. The sad part is that no matter what the punishment is, it isn't going to change what happened to all those boys over the years. They have emotional scars that no amount of money, vacated wins, statues torn down or scholarships taken away will ever heal.

    This was a bad deal all around and the cover up by Paterno and certain members of the administration is despicable. The fans, the community around Penn State and current players who had nothing to do with any of this are having to deal with the NCAA's iron fist ruling. The saying goes something like "You don't throw out the baby with the bath water", well the NCAA might have just done that to a lesser degree than a death penalty. Don't knock the fans for supporting their school.
    Don't knock the fans for supporting their school? Don't knock the fans for supporting their school?? No. No, no, no, no, no. Explain to me why there was such a resistance to taking down the Paterno statue. Explain to me why there is a bigger outcry against the NCAA sanctions than the rape after rape after rape. The insane level of self-pity and self-righteousness of the Penn State fans has caused me to have absolutely zero sympathy for them. None. Anybody who thinks that the sanctions are anywhere near as bad as the sexual abuses and the cover-up is showing incredibly bad judgment.

    As a Pacer fan, I've supported my team ever since the brawl. I don't hold anyone responsible for the brawl except for those who took part in it. You don't go after the organization for the actions of a few employees. But what we have here is the NCAA making an example of Penn State, which is pretty ironic as corrupt an organization as the NCAA is. The one statement that I do agree with that came from the NCAA on this is that college football should never take a priority over the educational duty of the university (I'm paraphrasing here). But it does, it has and it will continue to do so. It will because college football is big business and the NCAA has let this happen. Much like the MLB is guilty of letting the steroid era go on and on because of the money and ratings that they so desperately craved, the NCAA has allowed the football program to dictate the direction that universities have taken.
    Again, the "Malice in the Palace," if that's what you're referring to, is absolutely not the same thing. That was one night, one bad night. No kids were molested, and there was certainly no cover-up by anyone to pretend that nothing bad had happened.
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    Re: Penn State sanctions: $60M, bowl ban

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    No, the burden is on the prosecution to prove, in a court of law, that Paterno, Schultz, Curley and Spanier covered up Sandusky's crimes. That's not Louis Freeh's job, and his report doesn't prove anything.

    Have you even read the Freeh report? Read the entire thing, not just the snippets that the media gives us in the news.
    Tell me what parts you disagree with and the evidence for such a position. I am not going to play this game.

    The NCAA took a huge risk with the sanctions. They risked their own reputation in order to set in forth a series of events that are very likely to save who knows how many other children. I cannot think of many actions that are more courageous than laying one's reputation on the line in the name of protecting our children. Mark Emmert is a hero and deserves to be honored as such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Explain to me why there was such a resistance to taking down the Paterno statue.
    Maybe because Paterno was never convicted of any crime and it's never been proven that he covered up Sandusky's crimes?

    And for the record, I'm no Paterno fan, never have been (though I am a Penn State fan). I couldn't care less about the Paterno statue.

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    Re: Penn State sanctions: $60M, bowl ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    The punishment should probably have waited until the dust settled. Who knows, maybe when this is all said and done, the NCAA will realize the punishment wasn't enough.

    I'm torn here. I hate the mentality "punish everyone instead of the few," but it's hard not to understand why. The University as a whole may not be guilty, but those in charge are, and if they were the only ones punished, then what would stop the University from hiring morally corrupt individuals again? Nothing. I am not going to argue in favor or against the punishment because, honestly, there isn't a punishment big enough to heal anyone's pain. That's not going to happen until everyone who is personally affected is dead and gone. Maybe not even then.
    The NCAA's biggest enemy in this scandal was the clock. College football begins in just one month. They absolutely could not wait this out over the course of a few months or a year. They had to reach a decision, NOW. And they did exactly that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Tell me what parts you disagree with and the evidence for such a position. I am not going to play this game.

    The NCAA took a huge risk with the sanctions. They risked their own reputation in order to set in forth a series of events that are very likely to save who knows how many other children. I cannot think of many actions that are more courageous than laying one's reputation on the line in the name of protecting our children. Mark Emmert is a hero and deserves to be honored as such.
    I'm not playing a game.

    Have you even read the Freeh report? Read the entire thing, not just the snippets that the media gives us in the news.

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