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    Re: Penn State sanctions: $60M, bowl ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    How were the students "part of the enabling"? Did they know about Sandusky's repeated crimes or Joe Paterno's protection of the man? Did they know of the actions taken by the university president and board of trustees? C'mon, be realistic here. Sure part of being a Penn State student was feeling the 'power' of the school's football team but not every student felt like that. I went to a couple of those Div 1 schools while getting my degrees but I don't think I attended more than 3 or 4 games in the eight years I was at those schools. There were many like me who just didn't care that much, university was for learning the subjects we studied not adulating a coach and the scholarship athletes. I am sure there are many at Penn State who feel the same today.

    Your attitude is rather biblical.
    Have you been keeping up with this story? Have you seen and heard the sheer volume of enabling on part of the fans and "supporters"? I've never seen anything like this in my life. Here this institution had a known pedophile in its ranks and chose to cover it up. And what has been the predominant voice from Penn State fans? "Support the team." "Don't remove the statue." And further BS. Whatever outcry against the cover-up itself seemed to be covered up, which was exactly the problem in the first place. This brings me to the crux of my argument: The enablers are doing the same to the program as the program did to Sandusky.

    As for those who don't care about football, well then, this should sting for awhile and then pass. I hate it for them, but there are far, far worse things in life than losing a football team. Such as being sexually abused.
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    The collateral damage to innocent people from criminals is always unfortunate. I just don't know why the anger isn't directed at Sandusky and Paterno.

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    Re: Penn State sanctions: $60M, bowl ban

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    It's a public university. That would be like saying we should cease all funding to the DOD 'cause a few soldiers and their superiors tried to cover up the Koran-pissing incident.
    I don't think so. Your analogy is absurd. The soldier pissing on an inanimate object incident is nothing like the climategate and sodomizing little kids incidents.
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    Re: Penn State sanctions: $60M, bowl ban

    The NCAA is shocked! shocked! to find that a sport could come to so dominate an academic institution that this sort of evil could go unchecked for years.

    I'm for individual responsiblity. Find out who is criminally liable and prosecute them. Find out who is civilly liable and sue them into bankruptcy. If we are going to punish institutions then the NCAA deserves punishment, also. And the news media. And all the sports fans. They have helped to foster this attitude of winning at all costs as much as any institution has.

    Big college football is a racket that has no real connection with academics other than money. It is a relationship that corrupts all the big Universities, not just Penn, so end it. Sever the sport from the schools, let the major league teams pay to maintain farm teams, and keep college sports at the intramural level.

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    All those "harsh penalties" that Penn State got? Turns out they could have been a lot worse. As in, a four-year death penalty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    All those "harsh penalties" that Penn State got? Turns out they could have been a lot worse. As in, a four-year death penalty.
    That is THE ONLY reason that Penn State accepted the punishment that they were handed. They didn't accept it because they agree with it or are ok with it. After receiving their punishment, Penn State officials weren't saying "Okay, thank you NCAA. Gee this is fantastic!", behind closed doors. It was much more along the lines of "F*** you Mark Emmert, I hope someone skins you alive and dumps you in a pile of salt!"

    The NCAA acted prematurely in punishing Penn State. Why would they not wait until all of the criminal court cases are decided by a jury before they act? One guy's report does not prove guilt. Also, why would the NCAA not do their own investigation, like they always do before sanctioning a school?
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    Re: Penn State sanctions: $60M, bowl ban

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    That is THE ONLY reason that Penn State accepted the punishment that they were handed. They didn't accept it because they agree with it or are ok with it. After receiving their punishment, Penn State officials weren't saying "Okay, thank you NCAA. Gee this is fantastic!", behind closed doors. It was much more along the lines of "F*** you Mark Emmert, I hope someone skins you alive and dumps you in a pile of salt!"

    The NCAA acted prematurely in punishing Penn State. Why would they not wait until all of the criminal court cases are decided by a jury before they act? One guy's report does not prove guilt. Also, why would the NCAA not do their own investigation, like they always do before sanctioning a school?
    Because they didn't have time to wait. It would have been a disaster of epic proportions to wait until after the football season started. This was the worst scandal in college sports history, period. The NCAA absolutely needed to send a message that this simply cannot ever happen again under their watch. A football program and people's egos are tiny prices to pay for that protection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Because they didn't have time to wait. It would have been a disaster of epic proportions to wait until after the football season started. This was the worst scandal in college sports history, period. The NCAA absolutely needed to send a message that this simply cannot ever happen again under their watch. A football program and people's egos are tiny prices to pay for that protection.
    Have you ever heard of the Duke Lacrosse scandal? Those guys were certainly, definitely, without a doubt 100% guilty... Until it was proven in a court of law that they were absolutely, 100% not guilty.

    It's likely a far fetched scenario (and remember, the defendants in the Duke Lacrosse case being innocent was a far fetched scenario as well), but say the same sort of thing plays out in this case, and Paterno, Schultz, Curley and Spanier are found to be not guilty and they didn't cover up anything. The NCAA/Mark Emmert would be in a world of hurt if that happened. Again, it's a long shot, and not likely to happen, but you'd think that the NCAA would make sure they were 100% positive, as in guilty verdicts handed down by a jury in a court of law, before they dealt such a penalty to a school. But, they are not 100% positive. They acted based on one guy's report.
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    Re: Penn State sanctions: $60M, bowl ban

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Have you ever heard of the Duke Lacrosse scandal? Those guys were certainly, definitely, without a doubt 100% guilty... Until it was proven in a court of law that they were absolutely, 100% not guilty.

    It's likely a far fetched scenario (and remember, the defendants in the Duke Lacrosse case being innocent was a far fetched scenario as well), but say the same sort of thing plays out in this case, and Paterno, Schultz, Curley and Spanier are found to be not guilty and they didn't cover up anything. The NCAA/Mark Emmert would be in a world of hurt if that happened. Again, it's a long shot, and not likely to happen, but you'd think that the NCAA would make sure they were 100% positive, as in guilty verdicts handed down by a jury in a court of law, before they dealt such a penalty to a school. But, they are not 100% positive. They acted based on one guy's report.
    Terrible comparison. The charges in the Duke Lacrosse case were dropped after it was revealed that the investigation was a complete sham and there was no compelling evidence against the players. By contrast, Jerry Sandusky currently sits in prison, convicted of 45 counts related to sexual molestation, and the going bet that it will stay that way is right about 100%. Furthermore, there was none of this cover-up culture at Duke that Penn State had. The Duke Lacrosse Scandal came out of nowhere, and that university wasn't dumb enough to cover up the investigation and evidence when it got underway. Penn State, on the other hand, had administrators that knew what Sandusky was doing yet swept it all under the rug, continuing to brainwash their followers with this whole "Happy Valley" crap. And now we're seeing the withdrawal symptoms of their fans, who seem to have more sympathy for a freakin' football program than for the abused boys. Unbelievable.
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    Re: Penn State sanctions: $60M, bowl ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Penn State, on the other hand, had administrators that knew what Sandusky was doing yet swept it all under the rug, continuing to brainwash their followers with this whole "Happy Valley" crap. And now we're seeing the withdrawal symptoms of their fans, who seem to have more sympathy for a freakin' football program than for the abused boys. Unbelievable.
    That's not the case at all. The fans aren't happy with what happened at all and the overwhelming majority care about the boys far more than the football program. But they, like me, have the mindset that you punish those responsible, not punish so many more for the actions of a few. I felt the punishment was a tad harsh, but it is what it is. The sad part is that no matter what the punishment is, it isn't going to change what happened to all those boys over the years. They have emotional scars that no amount of money, vacated wins, statues torn down or scholarships taken away will ever heal.

    This was a bad deal all around and the cover up by Paterno and certain members of the administration is despicable. The fans, the community around Penn State and current players who had nothing to do with any of this are having to deal with the NCAA's iron fist ruling. The saying goes something like "You don't throw out the baby with the bath water", well the NCAA might have just done that to a lesser degree than a death penalty. Don't knock the fans for supporting their school.

    As a Pacer fan, I've supported my team ever since the brawl. I don't hold anyone responsible for the brawl except for those who took part in it. You don't go after the organization for the actions of a few employees. But what we have here is the NCAA making an example of Penn State, which is pretty ironic as corrupt an organization as the NCAA is. The one statement that I do agree with that came from the NCAA on this is that college football should never take a priority over the educational duty of the university (I'm paraphrasing here). But it does, it has and it will continue to do so. It will because college football is big business and the NCAA has let this happen. Much like the MLB is guilty of letting the steroid era go on and on because of the money and ratings that they so desperately craved, the NCAA has allowed the football program to dictate the direction that universities have taken.
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