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    Re: Penn State sanctions: $60M, bowl ban

    I kind of have a problem with the $60 million fine. What's to guarantee that they won't make students who were completely uninvolved with the football program pay for the fine by hiking tuition?

    The rest of it, I'm fine with. It's harsh, but then again it should be, to send a very clear message that it's not okay to cover this kind of crap up for the sake of your football program.
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    Re: Penn State sanctions: $60M, bowl ban

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Fair enough. The National Felons League comment got me riled up a bit is all.
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    Re: Penn State sanctions: $60M, bowl ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yes and hitting the institution with a fine and banning all current sports administration members from NCAA sports would suffice. To continue to punish them 4 years from now for something their players in 2016 had nothing to do with is extreme.
    The reason why the enablers deserve their punishment is that enabling was what made this scandal happen in the first place. "Happy Valley's" reaction to Joe Paterno--some people STILL think he's a great guy--nauseates me. Infuriates me. The crocodile tears I saw on SportsCenter this morning in reaction to the sanctions? Really? You get your team severely punished, and YOU'RE the ones who think you've been violated? Really?

    If this truly were a tit-for-tat, even-steven punishment, the entire university would be shut down tomorrow. That'd be about even. That'd be about square. Not saying that I advocate for this--I don't--but when the Paterno apologists whine that they've been dealt too heavy of a hand, I say go cry me a river.
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    Re: Penn State sanctions: $60M, bowl ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    If this truly were a tit-for-tat, even-steven punishment, the entire university would be shut down tomorrow. That'd be about even. That'd be about square. Not saying that I advocate for this--I don't--but when the Paterno apologists whine that they've been dealt too heavy of a hand, I say go cry me a river.

    It would harm far more if the university were shut down. Those students who are seeking an education should not be forced to suffer the consequences of the criminal acts of various 'stars' attached to the school. Administrators and coaches who aided and facilitated the coverup should be facing criminal charges. The money provided for the Paterno family should be returned to the school to provide scholarships for non-athletes, for those students who use their time in the classroom and labs to gain an education.

    Forcing the school to play at Div III level with the greatly lessened expenditures found at that level, might cause some supporters of top-level athletics to rethink their adulation of certain coaches.
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    Re: Penn State sanctions: $60M, bowl ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Akston View Post
    Penn State Nittany Lions hit with $60 million fine, 4-year bowl ban, wins dating to 1998 - ESPN
    WOW! Is this too much, just right or too light? I would rather see those responsible punished than the entire institution, but it is what it is. At least the money will be going to a worthwhile cause, and it would say a lot if Penn State would spend more money towards the endowment being created.
    It is a big penalty.

    It was a pretty egregious case though. Weren't there years of covering up child rape?
    That's a bfd. The penalty should be commensurate. The penalty should be a bfd as well.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Penn State sanctions: $60M, bowl ban

    The ESPN coverage of the students and alumni at the university reminded me why I still have problems with fans and alumni when dealing with matters that involve, but are larger than, sports.
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    Re: Penn State sanctions: $60M, bowl ban

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    I am not so sure the NCAA should have got involved here.
    If they hadn't, they would have tainted themselves.
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    Re: Penn State sanctions: $60M, bowl ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I wonder how many of those advocating that the central Penn State administration is to blame would make the same accusations of the Catholic Church's coverups of THOUSANDS of such incidents.
    I would and so do other Catholics I know. There's plenty of apologists out there, but there are indeed many of us who are disgusted.
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    Re: Penn State sanctions: $60M, bowl ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    It would harm far more if the university were shut down. Those students who are seeking an education should not be forced to suffer the consequences of the criminal acts of various 'stars' attached to the school. Administrators and coaches who aided and facilitated the coverup should be facing criminal charges. The money provided for the Paterno family should be returned to the school to provide scholarships for non-athletes, for those students who use their time in the classroom and labs to gain an education.

    Forcing the school to play at Div III level with the greatly lessened expenditures found at that level, might cause some supporters of top-level athletics to rethink their adulation of certain coaches.
    But they were part of the culture of enabling. Just as all of Germany was punished after World War II (yes, sue me, I'm a slave to Godwin's Law), the school should not be held immune simply because they did not directly participate in the problem. They enabled it with their culture of "Happy Valley" and "We Are Penn State," and that is reason enough that they do not deserve to be spared. Besides, losing a football team is pittance compared to what the children suffered. Having the football program gutted is as bad as child molestation? The way some enablers have reacted, one would think so.
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    Re: Penn State sanctions: $60M, bowl ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    But they were part of the culture of enabling. Just as all of Germany was punished after World War II (yes, sue me, I'm a slave to Godwin's Law), the school should not be held immune simply because they did not directly participate in the problem. They enabled it with their culture of "Happy Valley" and "We Are Penn State," and that is reason enough that they do not deserve to be spared. Besides, losing a football team is pittance compared to what the children suffered. Having the football program gutted is as bad as child molestation? The way some enablers have reacted, one would think so.
    How were the students "part of the enabling"? Did they know about Sandusky's repeated crimes or Joe Paterno's protection of the man? Did they know of the actions taken by the university president and board of trustees? C'mon, be realistic here. Sure part of being a Penn State student was feeling the 'power' of the school's football team but not every student felt like that. I went to a couple of those Div 1 schools while getting my degrees but I don't think I attended more than 3 or 4 games in the eight years I was at those schools. There were many like me who just didn't care that much, university was for learning the subjects we studied not adulating a coach and the scholarship athletes. I am sure there are many at Penn State who feel the same today.

    Your attitude is rather biblical.
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    Last edited by Somerville; 07-23-12 at 08:29 PM. Reason: irrelevant passage
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