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Super rich hold $32 trillion in offshore havens

Except it is not at the expense of the masses.

The economy is not a closed system. Just because one person has more, does not mean someone else has to have less.

It does in Liberalland.
 
It does in Liberalland.

Then address my above post.

I'm no liberal. Show me, explain to me, how our economy is not zero sum. Give me an example of how someone could, if they wish, suddenly grow MORE corn than they currently are, or build MORE cars, or find MORE X-Men #1 comics to sell.
 
Time for capital controls........................lots of them.
or if they dont want there money in USA then they get no protection of USA laws.

No corp protection
no patent protection
no protection of rights
no IP protection of any kind
no property protection
 
Time for capital controls........................lots of them.
or if they dont want there money in USA then they get no protection of USA laws.

No corp protection
no patent protection
no protection of rights
no IP protection of any kind
no property protection

A pretty good percentage of these people are NOT US citizens. Read the OP.



Carefully.
 
A pretty good percentage of these people are NOT US citizens. Read the OP.



Carefully.

Yes I know that. Point is, we need to banish these people. Not allow them to pick and chose the good things that only they want in each juristiction. (country)
 
I didn't say it belonged to the government. But for there to be that much topsided gain, the system is being rigged by those with power and influence to favor an ever growing increase for them at the expense of the masses.

What did you expect when people try to take what you've earned? If they decided YOU make too much and want to take a lot more from you will you just hand it over? Be honest please.
 
What did you expect when people try to take what you've earned? If they decided YOU make too much and want to take a lot more from you will you just hand it over? Be honest please.

When people decided we made too much money, they laid us off and sent our jobs to slaves in 3rd world countries. Indeed, we did just hand it over by voting for the politicians who made it possible and profitable. We eventually came to accept the new norm of working more hours and earning less than our grandparents for our invested time; we coped by going up to our eyeballs in personal debt and relying more heavily on government subsidies.

Some of us made a show of resistance by belittling bloviated assholes on the internet when they cheered for policies exacerbating our decline, but not much came of it, aside from a few "likes" and narrowly skirted moderator warnings. :mrgreen:
 
Yes I know that. Point is, we need to banish these people. Not allow them to pick and chose the good things that only they want in each juristiction. (country)

Yes, but aside from trade agreements, our government has no say in how other governments treat their citizens.

Now, on the subject of trade agreements...I absolutely think that if some company wants to ship their business from the US to, say, China, then, as a representative of this country, they should be legally bound (if they wish to continue to sell their products here) by the employment laws we have in the US. I think that is a perfectly stand up idea. Maybe not laws about minimum wage...but safety laws, child labor laws, so on and so forth. Just because they have moved their operation to some distant land, is no excuse for a business CLAIMING to be a US business to regress 150 years, in terms of human rights, and worker's rights. In addition, they should also still be held to out environmental standards. I mean, if they don't follow our laws, and are not bound by them...and they don't actually exist in this country, what, exactly, makes them a US company?
 
What did you expect when people try to take what you've earned? If they decided YOU make too much and want to take a lot more from you will you just hand it over? Be honest please.

This is an endless loop argument I've made more times than I wanted.

The wealthy have access to Congress through lobbies, campaign contributions, pork barrel projects, etc and the ability to dodge taxes, create offshore accounts and monopolize whole industries. The average person is losing jobs overseas, cheap imported labor or due to technology, they're losing wage increases, benefits and health coverage. I've been a small business employer and more taxes are not the answer for the medium companies on down but limiting political influence, enforcing regulations, preventing monopolies and price fixing, forcing mega-corps to pay their share of taxes and not avoid them like GM. It's not even close to fair anymore and that's the problem.
 
When people decided we made too much money, they laid us off and sent our jobs to slaves in 3rd world countries. Indeed, we did just hand it over by voting for the politicians who made it possible and profitable. We eventually came to accept the new norm of working more hours and earning less than our grandparents for our invested time; we coped by going up to our eyeballs in personal debt and relying more heavily on government subsidies.

Some of us made a show of resistance by belittling bloviated assholes on the internet when they cheered for policies exacerbating our decline, but not much came of it, aside from a few "likes" and narrowly skirted moderator warnings. :mrgreen:

Excellent post, Also made me laugh. :lamo
 
Then address my above post.

I'm no liberal. Show me, explain to me, how our economy is not zero sum. Give me an example of how someone could, if they wish, suddenly grow MORE corn than they currently are, or build MORE cars, or find MORE X-Men #1 comics to sell.

Profit, my friend, profit. Value is added along the way from raw material to finished product, and a profit is added. This means that extra money is lying around to do things with, like making more money. If it weren't so, there'd be no expansion.
 
I wonder how many of these rich eveildoers are invented in Chic-fil-a? :mrgreen:
 
Some of us made a show of resistance by belittling bloviated assholes on the internet when they cheered for policies exacerbating our decline

Your sure to change people minds that way. :roll:
 
Property is a weapon and real men have the right to defend themselves from its unearned privileges. We far outnumber the rich and can crush them like grapes. It is time to quit whining and start making wine.
 
Property is a weapon and real men have the right to defend themselves from its unearned privileges. We far outnumber the rich and can crush them like grapes. It is time to quit whining and start making wine.

I'm by no means rich but I would stand with them and their right to protect that which they rightfully and legally own. Besides, people need to understand that, if others can just decide to take property from people on a whim (who defines "rich"? - To some "rich" could be you) then nobody's property would be safe.
 
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I'm by no means rich but I would stand with them and their right to protect that which they rightfully and legally own. Besides, people need to understand that, if others can just decide to take property from people on a whim (who defines "rich"? - To some "rich" could be you) then nobody's property would be safe.

You'll have to show me where progressive taxes are theft according to our rule of law.
 
You'll have to show me where progressive taxes are theft according to our rule of law.

By that reasoning, I can only assume, then, that you also support the concept that, according to the laws of FL, Zimmerman did not murder Martin.
 
Profit, my friend, profit. Value is added along the way from raw material to finished product, and a profit is added. This means that extra money is lying around to do things with, like making more money. If it weren't so, there'd be no expansion.
Profit is derived from trading an item for more than you paid to get it. This goes into the relative nature of value alocation, but in no way addresses my point. Yes, the economy can expand via spending profit, but it expands over a period of time, and the amount it can expand within that amount of time is certainly fixed...unles, of course, it exists outside the laws of physics. Again, only so much of anything can be produced in a set amount of time.
 
By that reasoning, I can only assume, then, that you also support the concept that, according to the laws of FL, Zimmerman did not murder Martin.

What does your misinterpretation of the laws of Florida have to do with your misinterpretation of federal taxation law?
 
Yes I know that. Point is, we need to banish these people. Not allow them to pick and chose the good things that only they want in each juristiction. (country)

Lots of stupid hatred there.
 
What does your misinterpretation of the laws of Florida have to do with your misinterpretation of federal taxation law?

I have misinterpreted neither. Just as taxation is legal, and therefore, according to you, not theft, then the same applies to "self defense by the aggressor". Since it's perfectly legal FL to kill someone in self defense, even if you were the one that started the fight or created the situation, according to you, it's not murder...based on no other criteria than it's legality.
 
If our economy were truly not zero sum, meaning an infinite amount of wealth can be created at any time, we would all be in a world of trouble...we'd likely have rampant inflation, and values for just about everything would remain in a constant state of massive flux. It would be completely unstable, to say the least.
 
I have misinterpreted neither. Just as taxation is legal, and therefore, according to you, not theft, then the same applies to "self defense by the aggressor". Since it's perfectly legal FL to kill someone in self defense, even if you were the one that started the fight or created the situation, according to you, it's not murder...based on no other criteria than it's legality.

It was my understanding the trial has not even begun for Zimmerman, yet you have decided he will be found innocent. And, that has absolutely nothing to do with your earlier claim that taxation is theft.

Please try to focus and stay on topic.
 
Where did I claim that taxation is theft?
 
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