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    Re: Super rich hold $32 trillion in offshore havens

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Listen, genius, if you take something that isn't yours WITHOUT the express consent of the own, it's theft, I don't give a rats ass what the supreme court says.

    We run the country according to the rule of law based on the Constitution. I don't give a rat's ass about the opinion of some anonymous internet dude that doesn't believe in this country's rule of law.
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    Re: Super rich hold $32 trillion in offshore havens

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    We run the country according to the rule of law based on the Constitution. I don't give a rat's ass about the opinion of some anonymous internet dude that doesn't believe in this country's rule of law.
    Right. Shooting people who winning a fight you started isn't murder in FL, then. Right back where we started, lol.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Super rich hold $32 trillion in offshore havens

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Right. Shooting people who winning a fight you started isn't murder in FL, then. Right back where we started, lol.
    Yeah, with you trying to change the subject to a completely unrelated topic. Big surprise there!
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    Re: Super rich hold $32 trillion in offshore havens

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yeah, with you trying to change the subject to a completely unrelated topic. Big surprise there!
    It's not unrelated. It's simply stating a point.


    Not all laws are in our best interests. I DO believe that was what Justice Roberts said, to, lol. Constitutional, yes. Legal, yes. Smart, no. In our best interest, no. Food for thought.

    But anyway, my main point was, due to the fact that we got a great DEAL of completely legal things on the books, that are neither smart, nor in anyone's best interests...state the legality of something, in this case, simply isn't the best argument you can put forth about it. I already laid out a better argument, which, of course, you edited out of your reply to me. Big surprise there!
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Super rich hold $32 trillion in offshore havens

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    It's not unrelated. It's simply stating a point.
    Yes, an unrelated talking point.


    Not all laws are in our best interests. I DO believe that was what Justice Roberts said, to, lol. Constitutional, yes. Legal, yes. Smart, no. In our best interest, no. Food for thought.
    You can believe whatever you like. It doesn't change the fact that taxation is not theft under our rule of law.

    But anyway, my main point was, due to the fact that we got a great DEAL of completely legal things on the books, that are neither smart, nor in anyone's best interests...state the legality of something, in this case, simply isn't the best argument you can put forth about it. I already laid out a better argument, which, of course, you edited out of your reply to me. Big surprise there!
    That is simply your personal opinion and has no basis under the rule of law.
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    Re: Super rich hold $32 trillion in offshore havens

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yes, an unrelated talking point.




    You can believe whatever you like. It doesn't change the fact that taxation is not theft under our rule of law.



    That is simply your personal opinion and has no basis under the rule of law.
    Just and Fair taxation to support legitimate governemental functions are indeed not theft under law or morally. Unjust and Unfair taxation my not be legally theft, but morally it is. Taxation which mainly transfers wealth and services from one person to another is morally theft. Taxation the is used for "social" programs instead of legitimate governmental functions is not legally theft, but morally it is. Taxation that is taken and used only on limited number of citizens instead of equally to all citizens is also morally theft.

    As far as it being legal, just because it is legal does not make it right. Or perhaps you think slavery was right when it was legal. Or how about segregation? So much for everything that is legal being right.

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    Re: Super rich hold $32 trillion in offshore havens

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Just and Fair taxation to support legitimate governemental functions are indeed not theft under law or morally. Unjust and Unfair taxation my not be legally theft, but morally it is. Taxation which mainly transfers wealth and services from one person to another is morally theft. Taxation the is used for "social" programs instead of legitimate governmental functions is not legally theft, but morally it is. Taxation that is taken and used only on limited number of citizens instead of equally to all citizens is also morally theft.

    As far as it being legal, just because it is legal does not make it right. Or perhaps you think slavery was right when it was legal. Or how about segregation? So much for everything that is legal being right.
    The only authority authorized in the Constitution to decide what is legal is the courts. Things that are not right gain public support for ending them. Taxation much greater for the wealthy than today's rates have been upheld by the Courts under both parties for a 100 years, without successful challenge. And after a hundred years there is only a small minority of voters that support reducing the tax rates for the wealthy. Even after all this time, a majority presently supports higher taxes for the wealthy.
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    Re: Super rich hold $32 trillion in offshore havens

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The only authority authorized in the Constitution to decide what is legal is the courts. Things that are not right gain public support for ending them. Taxation much greater for the wealthy than today's rates have been upheld by the Courts under both parties for a 100 years, without successful challenge. And after a hundred years there is only a small minority of voters that support reducing the tax rates for the wealthy. Even after all this time, a majority presently supports higher taxes for the wealthy.
    Now THAT is a good argument. Knew you had it in you.





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    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Super rich hold $32 trillion in offshore havens

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    And they get that 22% ($32+ trillion), which is ONLY the cash from the other 99%.
    By providing a service the other 99% wanted. They for the most part DID NOT steal it. Its theirs to do with as they please. I could really careless about what the rich do or dont have, or the rich themselfs for that matter. So long as they leave me alone they will have nothing to fear from me, if they dont, well lets just say money cant buy everything. People dont seem to realise that money in and of itself is a tool. Thats it. Some people know how to use certain tools better than others. Thats just life. Rich people know how to use and make money, I know how to create things.
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    Re: Super rich hold $32 trillion in offshore havens

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Yes, but aside from trade agreements, our government has no say in how other governments treat their citizens.

    Now, on the subject of trade agreements...I absolutely think that if some company wants to ship their business from the US to, say, China, then, as a representative of this country, they should be legally bound (if they wish to continue to sell their products here) by the employment laws we have in the US. I think that is a perfectly stand up idea. Maybe not laws about minimum wage...but safety laws, child labor laws, so on and so forth. Just because they have moved their operation to some distant land, is no excuse for a business CLAIMING to be a US business to regress 150 years, in terms of human rights, and worker's rights. In addition, they should also still be held to out environmental standards. I mean, if they don't follow our laws, and are not bound by them...and they don't actually exist in this country, what, exactly, makes them a US company?
    They do have a say, its called capital controls, and banning foriegners from investing. China does lots of that. Its ILLEGAL to take USD into China, they take the USD and give you
    wuan at the rate they tell you too. It would also be smart for USA now to ban foreigners from buying property driving up home prices.........

    What makes a USA corp? Filling incorporation papers in USA and or listing on a USA exchange. But then they normally have many layers of corp's before you get to
    actual assets or employees.
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