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    Re: Super rich hold $32 trillion in offshore havens

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I didn't say it belonged to the government. But for there to be that much topsided gain, the system is being rigged by those with power and influence to favor an ever growing increase for them at the expense of the masses.
    What did you expect when people try to take what you've earned? If they decided YOU make too much and want to take a lot more from you will you just hand it over? Be honest please.
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    Re: Super rich hold $32 trillion in offshore havens

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    What did you expect when people try to take what you've earned? If they decided YOU make too much and want to take a lot more from you will you just hand it over? Be honest please.
    When people decided we made too much money, they laid us off and sent our jobs to slaves in 3rd world countries. Indeed, we did just hand it over by voting for the politicians who made it possible and profitable. We eventually came to accept the new norm of working more hours and earning less than our grandparents for our invested time; we coped by going up to our eyeballs in personal debt and relying more heavily on government subsidies.

    Some of us made a show of resistance by belittling bloviated assholes on the internet when they cheered for policies exacerbating our decline, but not much came of it, aside from a few "likes" and narrowly skirted moderator warnings.

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    Re: Super rich hold $32 trillion in offshore havens

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    Yes I know that. Point is, we need to banish these people. Not allow them to pick and chose the good things that only they want in each juristiction. (country)
    Yes, but aside from trade agreements, our government has no say in how other governments treat their citizens.

    Now, on the subject of trade agreements...I absolutely think that if some company wants to ship their business from the US to, say, China, then, as a representative of this country, they should be legally bound (if they wish to continue to sell their products here) by the employment laws we have in the US. I think that is a perfectly stand up idea. Maybe not laws about minimum wage...but safety laws, child labor laws, so on and so forth. Just because they have moved their operation to some distant land, is no excuse for a business CLAIMING to be a US business to regress 150 years, in terms of human rights, and worker's rights. In addition, they should also still be held to out environmental standards. I mean, if they don't follow our laws, and are not bound by them...and they don't actually exist in this country, what, exactly, makes them a US company?
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    Re: Super rich hold $32 trillion in offshore havens

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    What did you expect when people try to take what you've earned? If they decided YOU make too much and want to take a lot more from you will you just hand it over? Be honest please.
    This is an endless loop argument I've made more times than I wanted.

    The wealthy have access to Congress through lobbies, campaign contributions, pork barrel projects, etc and the ability to dodge taxes, create offshore accounts and monopolize whole industries. The average person is losing jobs overseas, cheap imported labor or due to technology, they're losing wage increases, benefits and health coverage. I've been a small business employer and more taxes are not the answer for the medium companies on down but limiting political influence, enforcing regulations, preventing monopolies and price fixing, forcing mega-corps to pay their share of taxes and not avoid them like GM. It's not even close to fair anymore and that's the problem.
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    Re: Super rich hold $32 trillion in offshore havens

    Quote Originally Posted by ChunkySalsa View Post
    When people decided we made too much money, they laid us off and sent our jobs to slaves in 3rd world countries. Indeed, we did just hand it over by voting for the politicians who made it possible and profitable. We eventually came to accept the new norm of working more hours and earning less than our grandparents for our invested time; we coped by going up to our eyeballs in personal debt and relying more heavily on government subsidies.

    Some of us made a show of resistance by belittling bloviated assholes on the internet when they cheered for policies exacerbating our decline, but not much came of it, aside from a few "likes" and narrowly skirted moderator warnings.
    Excellent post, Also made me laugh.

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    Re: Super rich hold $32 trillion in offshore havens

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Then address my above post.

    I'm no liberal. Show me, explain to me, how our economy is not zero sum. Give me an example of how someone could, if they wish, suddenly grow MORE corn than they currently are, or build MORE cars, or find MORE X-Men #1 comics to sell.
    Profit, my friend, profit. Value is added along the way from raw material to finished product, and a profit is added. This means that extra money is lying around to do things with, like making more money. If it weren't so, there'd be no expansion.
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    Re: Super rich hold $32 trillion in offshore havens

    I wonder how many of these rich eveildoers are invented in Chic-fil-a?
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    Re: Super rich hold $32 trillion in offshore havens

    Quote Originally Posted by ChunkySalsa View Post
    Some of us made a show of resistance by belittling bloviated assholes on the internet when they cheered for policies exacerbating our decline
    Your sure to change people minds that way.
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    Re: Super rich hold $32 trillion in offshore havens

    Property is a weapon and real men have the right to defend themselves from its unearned privileges. We far outnumber the rich and can crush them like grapes. It is time to quit whining and start making wine.
    On the outside, trickling down on the insiders.
    We won't live free until the 1% live in fear.
    Hey, richboys! Imagine the boot of democracy stomping on your faces, forever.

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    Re: Super rich hold $32 trillion in offshore havens

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    Property is a weapon and real men have the right to defend themselves from its unearned privileges. We far outnumber the rich and can crush them like grapes. It is time to quit whining and start making wine.
    I'm by no means rich but I would stand with them and their right to protect that which they rightfully and legally own. Besides, people need to understand that, if others can just decide to take property from people on a whim (who defines "rich"? - To some "rich" could be you) then nobody's property would be safe.
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