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Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

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Moot said:
Yes, he was wearing body armor, so why did he give up so easy when the cops arrived?

The way he was armed along with the body armor kinda reminds me of these guys except he wasn't robbing a bank and he didn't have any priors....

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I think SBC is still a possibility.
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No. This guy, according to reports, planned on getting caught. He'd asked his friends/acquaintences to start calling him The Joker a few weeks before all this happened. It's my understanding from the report (I never saw the movie) that one of the Batman films had The Joker planning on being captured. That's where he was coming from. The only thing that didn't match was him booby-trapping his apartment.

AdamT said:
Can you back up that claim with a link? Otherwise I'm going to have to throw the BS flag.
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I doubt poster will find one. I think this comes from the idea that if a soldier is "only wounded" it'll take another guy or two out of the fray to take care of him. If he's dead? Just leave him where he falls for the time being. Designed to wound? Nah. I think you're right.
 
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MaggieD said:
No. This guy, according to reports, planned on getting caught. He'd asked his friends/acquaintences to start calling him The Joker a few weeks before all this happened. It's my understanding from the report (I never saw the movie) that one of the Batman films had The Joker planning on being captured. That's where he was coming from. The only thing that didn't match was him booby-trapping his apartment.
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I've never seen the series myself so I don't have a frame of reference. It sounds like this psychopath wanted to hurt as many people as possible, he probably gave up on the booby trap idea after capture, but that part doesn't make any sense to me. This is just a horrible story altogether.
 
LaMidRighter said:
Yep, exactly right. Full autos are not worthless, but they will suppress better than kill, rideup makes them laughably inaccurate for a majority of shooters, the reason our military went to burst fire was to save money on wasted rounds. The M-16 is designed to different specs as well, the older models had more stopping power, the A4 is more of a defensive "to wound" on target rifle, little tumble, more velocity than it's counterparts meaning less fatal in most circumstances.
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According to Wiki, the M-15/16 was specifically designed in response to battlefield studies showing that rate of fire was by far the most important factor in inflicting damage on the enemy, as soldiers rarely hit what they aimed at, and on many occasions the majority of soldiers didn't even fire their weapons. Thus the main purpose of the M-15/16 was to design a standard rifle that could fire rapidly and still be light enough to carry, and also fire rounds that were light enough to be carried in bulk. M16 rifle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
LaMidRighter said:
And you are wrong, as has been pointed out by at least four posters. "Guns are designed to kill" is worse than a generalization, it's an outright fallacy, every single firearm is designed to fire a projectile and that's it, rifles, handguns, assault rifles, full-autos, handguns, shotguns, etc. are all designed to specifically influence the flight trajectory, entrance/exit points, and other ballistic capabilities of the projectile. Not only are the TYPES different but within the TYPES different models have different designs.
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Uh, bullets are the projectiles fired from guns and thats not a generalization, its a fact. Guns only have one purpose and that is to fire bullets and bullets are designed to kill, therefore so are guns.
 
AdamT said:
Can you back up that claim with a link? Otherwise I'm going to have to throw the BS flag.
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This has been told to me by numerous military firearms instructors.
 
Furiounova said:
It would be dam hard to hit a cobra pilot with a semi automatic. Unless that pilot was sitting in a chair.
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No it wouldn't; depending on his altitude and speed. I could take an HK 91, of an FN-FAL and give a Cobra hell, probably even bringing it down. Give me an M-1 Garand and his ass is mine. That big 30-06 is going to break stuff.
 
TurtleDude said:
its moronic but that is consistent with most of your posts on this subject. why should I be limited when criminals and cops are not. Millions of americans have 30 round magazines for AR 15 rifles, AK style rifles or 25 round magazines for the 5 million or so Ruger 10-22 rifles. what are you going to do-arrest everyone who possesses one of these magazines.
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Over time the number of those higher capacity magazines will diminish ... IF you ban them. Otherwise, obviously, they will ony become more plentiful. If you need more than 17 rounds in a self defense situation, chances are that another 80 or 100 rounds aren't going to help. You'll be long dead by the time you can empty your clip.
 
AdamT said:
Can you back up that claim with a link? Otherwise I'm going to have to throw the BS flag.
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Why do you think the United States transitioned from the 7.62 to the 5.56?
 
Harshaw said:
This has been told to me by numerous military firearms instructors.
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Your antedotal evidence is questionable, so why don't you provide a link?
 
Moot said:
Uh, bullets are the projectiles fired from guns and thats not a generalization, its a fact. Guns only have one purpose and that is to fire bullets and bullets are designed to kill, therefore so are guns.
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The olympics would disagree with you. ;-)
 
Moot said:
Uh, bullets are the projectiles fired from guns and thats not a generalization, its a fact. Guns only have one purpose and that is to fire bullets and bullets are designed to kill, therefore so are guns.
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Why do folks keep harping on that? Guns were invented to kill...sure...so what?
 
apdst said:
Why do you think the United States transitioned from the 7.62 to the 5.56?
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Primarily to save weight. Firing more light bullets was found to produce more casualties than firing fewer heavy bullets.
 
AdamT said:
Primarily to save weight. Firing more light bullets was found to produce more casualties than firing fewer heavy bullets.
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So, switching to a round with a quarter of the stopping power was just to allow troops to carry more ammo? Good thing, because it would take three times as many rounds to kill an enemy. :rofl
 
Disputatious71 said:
The initial reports make this sound organized and planned, if more than one shooter I personally suspect jihadi or similar anti-western / anti-American motivation. Too many dead and injured, my prayers go out to all the effected people and families.
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ah, not this time, try again sometime.
 
Moot said:
Your antedotal evidence is questionable, so why don't you provide a link?
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Because I found them to be credible sources and never bothered to check behind them. However, I Googled and there's nothing about it other than message board arguments, so what kind of a link would you want?
 
TurtleDude said:
the problem with your question is that there is no middle between those who want to ban guns for the sake of banning guns being confused for those who really want to stop crime. Most of the laws being proposed (in addition to laws that ban criminals, the insane, the addicted, and the youth from possessing guns and the laws that ban any harm you can do with a gun) are intended to hassle honest people or will only hassle honest people. For example, limits on how many guns you can buy a month ONLY targets those who can pass a background check because criminals CANNOT BUY ANY GUN in a month.
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Baloney. The problem with your statement is that you are admittedly on one extreme end and you see that as the only realistic place to be. People like you Turtle are part of the problem. The gun culture produces people who worship guns to the point where they sound like they are talking about a gorgeous woman or having sex rather than firearms sometimes.

Such a gun culture produces someone with your mentality and attitude. Such a gun culture produces extremes that fail the nation and its people. Such a gun culture produces event after event year after year after year here in the USA while no other nation suffers the same problem with such regularity.

This has happend before many many many times. Many innocents have died. Many have been sacrificed so that the gun culture can reign nearly supreme in todyas political climate.

And it will happen again and again and again. And the next time it happens you can make more jokes about anal gang rape and killing a person in that manner. And perhaps you will feel better for it.

But it will happen again despite your sick jokes.
We have to change our culture.Why is America such a strong gun culture more so than any other developed civilized nation in the world? Give an honest answer to that and we can start having a discussion.

Which very few if any on the right really want to have.
 
AdamT said:
Primarily to save weight. Firing more light bullets was found to produce more casualties than firing fewer heavy bullets.
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somewhat true but by the end of WWII, the thinking was that infantry would no longer be the main method of inflicting casualties-rather artillery and airpower was. The Russian tactics in Stalingrad of using massive submachine gun fire to prevent movement and to allow artillery to pound the pinned down germans was noted by everyone. the thinking became 30 rounds of 556 is going to be more suppressive than 20 rounds of M 14-which were almost worthless in full auto anyway
 
Moot said:
Uh, bullets are the projectiles fired from guns and thats not a generalization, its a fact.
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Nope. You can fire bullets, blanks, rubber bullets, shotguns can fire slugs, shells, bean bag rounds, etc. I didn't say bullets specifically for a reason.
Guns only have one purpose and that is to fire bullets and bullets are designed to kill, therefore so are guns.
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Also incorrect. Bean bag rounds and rubber bullets are designed to stop agressive actions, warning shots are designed to stop agression.
 
haymarket said:
But it will happen again despite.
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And if you take away the guns, the James Holmeses of the world will simply use bombs.

The awful truth is that there is no security against this sort of insanity.
 
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