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Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

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he was in close quarters mostly using the long guns. close from behind put gun in the neck right below the helmet pull trigger

Did he also have a time dilation field?

Would you of returned fire and, I at least think, you have experienced tear gas?
 
"A San Diego woman, who identified herself as Holmes' mother, said that her gut instinct told her that her son was responsible for what has become the state's worst mass shooting since Columbine.

'You have the right person,' she told ABC. 'I need to call the police... I need to fly out to Colorado."


Now, why would she have said something like that.... were there previous signs of his mental instability after all?
Hmm. Hadn't heard that yet, I find it hard to believe this guy didn't have red flags all over the place prior. I have wondered if maybe someone just refused to get him to see he needed help.
 
"A San Diego woman, who identified herself as Holmes' mother, said that her gut instinct told her that her son was responsible for what has become the state's worst mass shooting since Columbine.

'You have the right person,' she told ABC. 'I need to call the police... I need to fly out to Colorado."


Now, why would she have said something like that.... were there previous signs of his mental instability after all?

Obviously there were and she either failed to act on actionable information or there was no actionable information.

Here is a technological idea but probably not attractive at the end of the day. Build all future guns with GPS technology that cannot be removed from the gun without disabling the gun. When the guns enter restricted zones the GPS signal automatically alerts authorities.

Then my grandkids can run a black market on the freebie antiques that were built without the inherent GPS technology.
 
That someone you know terrifies me. Take him to the range, NOW! Get him started w/ 22's and work up to his carry calibur. If he can't hit a 2 inch group @ 30 feet after about 500 rounds discourage him from carrying and have him lie to his parents.

I recommend a Browning Buckmark 22/45, or Ruger Mark III 22/45. Very accurate, same grip/weight as a 1911.

I think everyone on these forums knows that I'm not a shooter. He was the one that took me out shooting my first time... I did better (accuracy) than he did...

Anyways, I'm sure he is capable of making his own decision (I think he is 57, he is my aunt's boyfriend)...
 
Hmm. Hadn't heard that yet, I find it hard to believe this guy didn't have red flags all over the place prior. I have wondered if maybe someone just refused to get him to see he needed help.

Often times they blend in just enough to not do anything about them. Until we get a real live Minority Report we are stuck with focusing on causation and prevention.
 
He did, from what I've read, have the door propped up. Was in the theater, walked out and changed into his gear, and came back in. Let me see if I can find the link again.

yeah that is what i heard and I think the theater is going to have some liability issues with that
 
Did he also have a time dilation field?

Would you of returned fire and, I at least think, you have experienced tear gas?

Yeah I would have killed him assuming I wasn't one of the first few he shot. If I saw someone go out an emergency exit I sure as hell would have been in condition ORANGE for sure.
 
Ah, thanks, I don't know and the few I do, which I ask them about, don't know about when **** hits the fan... I guess I've built that wall from them...

For instance (no names), I know someone with his/her concealed carry and he told me he can't hit a target past 30 feet and the only reason he carry's is to make his parents happy...

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He is carrying for the wrong reasons then, it is a HUGE responsibility to own a weapon and if someone does so just to make others happy they are not going to take the proper mindset to learn past the fundamentals. I would suggest people learn as much as possible when they take on the ownership responsiblity as far as firearms are concerned.

The biggest thing to learn is absolutely without a doubt how to precisely operate under pressure. This can be a one to one assault, a hostage situation, crowd of innocents and a massacre developing, anything.
 
Ah, thanks, I don't know and the few I do, which I ask them about, don't know about when **** hits the fan... I guess I've built that wall from them...

For instance (no names), I know someone with his/her concealed carry and he told me he can't hit a target past 30 feet and the only reason he carry's is to make his parents happy...

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He's useless....

It is a marksmanship issue, there should never be any such thing as a wounded tango. Shoot them right the first time and you don't have to worry about shooting them again
 
Often times they blend in just enough to not do anything about them. Until we get a real live Minority Report we are stuck with focusing on causation and prevention.

Let's hope we never get a real life Minority Report. My heart goes with the victims. If only one of the people in the theater was armed it might have gone differently. I saw the Governor in the press conference it seems like he is not going to go for stricter gun laws. Which is a good call on his part.
 
Yeah I would have killed him assuming I wasn't one of the first few he shot. If I saw someone go out an emergency exit I sure as hell would have been in condition ORANGE for sure.

But, given the same circumstance with tear gas and chaos of screams, would you of taken a shot with your pistol? I mean from where would you take the shot? I'm just curious. I know you are, apparently, a well trained marksman...
 
Norm Goldman and Ed Schultz - 2 Talk Radio Bozos, Birds of a Feather who will exploit anything to get a rating, score cheap political points, and be "right."


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"Today on the radio, we serve justice on the issue of gun violence. How can we not? The horrific shootings outside of Denver, during a midnight screening of the new Batman film, command us to once again pay attention to an issue politicians and people alike would rather ignore. While other things are going on - and I will touch on them - I suspect our show today will be all about this terrible incident, and the issues it raises. "

The Norman Goldman Show : Where Justice is Served : On the Show
 
But, given the same circumstance with tear gas and chaos of screams, would you of taken a shot with your pistol? I mean from where would you take the shot? I'm just curious. I know you are, apparently, a well trained marksman...

I would have taken the shoot.
 
He is carrying for the wrong reasons then, it is a HUGE responsibility to own a weapon and if someone does so just to make others happy they are not going to take the proper mindset to learn past the fundamentals. I would suggest people learn as much as possible when they take on the ownership responsiblity as far as firearms are concerned.

The biggest thing to learn is absolutely without a doubt how to precisely operate under pressure. This can be a one to one assault, a hostage situation, crowd of innocents and a massacre developing, anything.

I mean is there anything I can do, other than confront him, to retroactively not let him carry? Could I call the police department, or do they not second guess concealed carrys?
 
Twitter ticker on MSNBC is a non-stop damnation of the NRA.
 
Twitter ticker on MSNBC is a non-stop damnation of the NRA.

True, as FNC says nothing of gun rights because who could speak of pro-gun laws on such a day...

Not taking any political stance here but I mean come on...
 
But, given the same circumstance with tear gas and chaos of screams, would you of taken a shot with your pistol? I mean from where would you take the shot? I'm just curious. I know you are, apparently, a well trained marksman...

given I would only pull the trigger if I knew where the bullet would hit-yes

You cannot use suppressive fire in an active shooter situation. but a guy deploying an AR or a pump gun is going to be much easier to ID than someone with a small pistol

the one time I shot someone it was a contact shot-given what I have read of this issue several people could have contact shot this guy. a rifle or shotgun is far more lethal for offensive attacks on unarmed people but both are far more easy to divert, block or take away at close range. there are some neat fairly easy to use tactics that involve stepping inside the effective interval of a rifleman and punching your pistol into his eye while pulling the trigger. of course if he was aiming at you before you could close that interval you are going to die but if he is aiming at someone several feet to your left or right-you have a better than even chance of winning if you are within several feet
 
True, as FNC says nothing of gun rights because who could speak of pro-gun laws on such a day...

Not taking any political stance here but I mean come on...

its too bad we, as a society, cannot trade all those innocent young people for some of those turds at MSNBC
 
Obviously there were and she either failed to act on actionable information or there was no actionable information.

Here is a technological idea but probably not attractive at the end of the day. Build all future guns with GPS technology that cannot be removed from the gun without disabling the gun. When the guns enter restricted zones the GPS signal automatically alerts authorities.

Then my grandkids can run a black market on the freebie antiques that were built without the inherent GPS technology.

Brilliant! :roll: I'll meet you outside the theater of your choice in 10 years. You bring your GPS gun and I'll bring my S&W Combat Masterpiece, Model 15-4, heavy barrel, .38 Special and we will see who gets in the theater armed; high tech vs. low tech, new vs. old.
 
Brilliant! :roll: I'll meet you outside the theater of your choice in 10 years. You bring your GPS gun and I'll bring my S&W Combat Masterpiece, Model 15-4, heavy barrel, .38 Special and we will see who gets in the theater armed; high tech vs. low tech, new vs. old.

I will take Risky Thicket for 1000 Alex
 
I mean is there anything I can do, other than confront him, to retroactively not let him carry? Could I call the police department, or do they not second guess concealed carrys?
Unfortunately with all the redundant laws we have on the books and many that accomplish nothing the only way it's illegal to be negligent with a firearm is if another law is broken. The police have no tools to deal with that from a legal standpoint, confronting him won't do any good either, the situation can't change because it's a family matter and the friend doesn't want to go against them so unless he wanted a different path enough to surrender the CCW that's not an option.

I would say possibly make it a social event, going to a range with a good master, not just a "rent an alley" where they turn people loose. There are actually a lot of subtleties to using a weapon effectively so if there is maybe a sheriff's range that is open to the public or a place run by a real pro that knows what they are doing it could be fun. Once your friend learns that he has much more to learn than he thought he would decide to take it seriously.
 
given I would only pull the trigger if I knew where the bullet would hit-yes

You cannot use suppressive fire in an active shooter situation. but a guy deploying an AR or a pump gun is going to be much easier to ID than someone with a small pistol

the one time I shot someone it was a contact shot-given what I have read of this issue several people could have contact shot this guy. a rifle or shotgun is far more lethal for offensive attacks on unarmed people but both are far more easy to divert, block or take away at close range. there are some neat fairly easy to use tactics that involve stepping inside the effective interval of a rifleman and punching your pistol into his eye while pulling the trigger. of course if he was aiming at you before you could close that interval you are going to die but if he is aiming at someone several feet to your left or right-you have a better than even chance of winning if you are within several feet

I think I agree but you had no chance with him fully clothed in body armor... (Obviously with you it was a "I know "headshot" or nothing")

I sort of thought of the scenario today of EVERYONE having a handgun... That would, I think, stir more confusion and is why I think that our current system works :D. Yay for fully converting a liberal junkie :D...

But on the anti-gun side, if even one had a handgun it would of stirred enough confusion to cause even more chaos...
 
I think I agree but you had no chance with him fully clothed in body armor... (Obviously with you it was a "I know "headshot" or nothing")

I sort of thought of the scenario today of EVERYONE having a handgun... That would, I think, stir more confusion and is why I think that our current system works :D. Yay for fully converting a liberal junkie :D...

But on the anti-gun side, if even one had a handgun it would of stirred enough confusion to cause even more chaos...

If everyone had a handgun and no training-a real disaster

if a dozen people had training and handguns-less dead innocents

if other places that had suffered massacres had not been gun free zones, I suspect the guy might not have tried it since a lot of those massacres would have been prevented by armed citizens early in the shooting

the only good news is that maybe we will learn why the theater's Emergency exit was a sieve and that a guy like this is probably going to rot in solitary or be in diapers within a year of his sentencing
 
Unfortunately with all the redundant laws we have on the books and many that accomplish nothing the only way it's illegal to be negligent with a firearm is if another law is broken. The police have no tools to deal with that from a legal standpoint, confronting him won't do any good either, the situation can't change because it's a family matter and the friend doesn't want to go against them so unless he wanted a different path enough to surrender the CCW that's not an option.

I would say possibly make it a social event, going to a range with a good master, not just a "rent an alley" where they turn people loose. There are actually a lot of subtleties to using a weapon effectively so if there is maybe a sheriff's range that is open to the public or a place run by a real pro that knows what they are doing it could be fun. Once your friend learns that he has much more to learn than he thought he would decide to take it seriously.

Hey, I appreciate the advice in which I will heed. I think that this guy, while he may not, and probably isn't a danger to society, he does need to take heed as a citizen to be the person that can make that ultimate samaritan choice... It saddens me that anyone with the responsibility of a samaritan in which I think we instill CC carriers with...
 
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