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Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

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Thunder said:
its MUCH easier to carry a concealed handgun in Colorado, than in NYC.

and yet, no one shot back at the killer.
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because panty waisted bitches still whine when they see a gun in public. After years of people pushing the idea that guns are a bad thing and only criminals carry them it's a stigma in society to carry a gun.
 
00timh said:
That's logical thinking.... Although I have no qualms on gun ownership. I am a 2nd ammendment fan. More gun carriers doesn't repel a person from doing what they do, but it does give them a lot less time to kill so many people.
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Exactly.

A better example is that Virginia Tech shooting.

This guy had only handgun(s).

There is no chance he is killing the large number he did when at least several students/the teacher in the class would also be packing.


Mass killing has become the new way for the nutjobs to go out in a blaze of glory.

And the trend seems to be getting more 'popular' - not less.


And harsher sentences will do squat when the perp is a mad man. IF he is going to kill himself after the shootings - what does he care if there is a death sentence.

Someone has to do something to allow/force the public to be better armed (since there is little point in trying to limit gun ownership with SO MANY out there right now)...or this will keep happening over and over and over.

I guess it is going to have to take some ultimate horror - like a really well planned guy goes into a huge day care and kills hundreds of children over several hours or something before the public says 'enough'.

Because they (the public) don't seem to be saying that now - at least, not enough of them.
 
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Phoenix said:
because panty waisted bitches still whine when they see a gun in public. After years of people pushing the idea that guns are a bad thing and only criminals carry them it's a stigma in society to carry a gun.
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what part of the second "C" in CCW, don't you understand?
 
Van Basten said:
Sad world we live in that you can't even watch a movie in peace.
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There is too much consistency to this type of terrorism for each one to be a "fluke" and until we stop denying it is an epidemic we will never begin to comprehend the causes and thus solutions. The only marked difference here is it wasn't a suicide mission. He wanted to survive and for reasons we may never know.
 
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Eighty Deuce said:
Get down off your hobby horse ... .ROFLMAO ......... we mock ABC, and you are all but-hurt. ;)
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I'll get off my hobby horse when you get off your cross. Otherwise, no dice.
 
Einzige said:
It's very unlikely that someone carrying concealed would have stopped him from taking many more lives than he already took. According to all reports, Holmes was wearing body armor - I've read variously Kevlar and flak. I favor concealed carry, but this is a pretty bad case to argue that it would have mattered one way or the other.
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yeah that is why I teach my students to shoot two to the body and put two more in the hip-groin area. Far easier to hit than the head and the knock down is almost as quick.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
That's pretty badass of that guy, but of course, the situation at hand is an completely different situation. The guys in that video probably weren't there to kill people. They weren't decked out in bullet proof vests, neck guards and whatever else this dude had on. They didn't throw a smoke or tear gas bomb into their target area and they didn't just start shooting people at random.

You're comparing apples to oranges. I highly doubt that weapons would have done much good in this situation.
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That guy is extremely lucky he didn't shoot a patron or that patrons werent shot in crossfire. It wasn't bad ass. It was dumb and he got very lucky.
 
00timh said:
The surreal nature of any kind of event.... I was involved in a fatal accident with a motorcyclist. There wasn't anything I could do, the guy thought he was the next Evel Knievel. He loses it at high speed and his body skims across the pavement, his head stiking my front right bumper. Yeah, I locked up the brakes, but not enough time for me to stop and my front right tire ends up on his chest and throat. I sat there for a few seconds waiting for the guy to get up and shake it off. Just didn't fully realize what was actually happening. It was over for the guy anyway from the broken C-spine. Had he somehow survived that massive Fx, caving in his chest and throat was a blessing. My 1st unhazy memory of it is getting out of the car to see if he was ok and seeing where my tire was and backing up and feeling it roll off him. Thankfully there were enough witnesses so that I was found to be completely not at fault.
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My dad doesn't hot-rod, but this is exactly why I ask him not to ride his Harley on the highway leading to our house. The speed limit is set at 70, but most people go 80 or more. If something happened that caused him to lose control there's no way in hell he'd survive it short of a miracle. I totally understand the thrill of biking, but it isn't worth death, IMO.
 
Furiounova said:
There is too much consistency to this type of terrorism for each one to be a "fluke" and until we stop denying it is an epidemic we will never begin to comprehend the causes and thus solutions. The only marked difference here is it wasn't a suicide mission. He wanted to survive and for reasons we may never know.
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An epidemic? Please.
 
Einzige said:
I didn't "ignore what you said". I addressed what you said exactly. And what you said was that the killer, Holmes, was a registered Democrat, and that you felt victimized by the big, bad librul media for not mentioning that 'fact'. I 'addressed' your claim by debunking it: Homes was not a Democrat.

You want, on the one hand, to pretend as if the mainstream media is persecuting you; the right-wing in this country has developed a worrisome love affair with self-victimization. On the other, you want to engage in the same sort of behavior you see in the 'mainstream media'. It won't do.

Let's go through this again, shall we?

You wrote:




But this is speculation. And it is, furthermore, incorrect.

From Breitbart.com:



In other words, you were engaging in hypocrisy. And I don't like hypocrisy.
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the active shooter's political affiliation is not relevant. He's a whacked out loser that probably should be being impaled on a stake right now. The dems, the GOP, the tea party, the OWS people-NONE OF THEM are responsible for this. He didn't target conservatives, liberals, CEO's Labor union leaders, --he targeted an environment that was obviously full of young people-generally the people seeing a batman film into the early hours of the morning are people who don't have to work the next day-ie Youths on summer break

and yeah, I cannot think of a punishment too harsh for scum like this guy
 
That is a pretty good theory, it was some what well planned. from what I am able to see, the killer was never suppose to get away, it's like he went and killed all those innocent people and gave himself up to the cops. It's sad that this happened.
 
I think the argument will be that this "loner" cracked in grad school (no details yet on why he dropped out of grad school after his first doctoral semester).
 
Darrell said:
That is a pretty good theory, it was some what well planned. from what I am able to see, the killer was never suppose to get away, it's like he went and killed all those innocent people and gave himself up to the cops. It's sad that this happened.
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active shooters are almost always suicidal. That is why the threat of punishment does not deter them. The only way to stop an active killer is to shoot them or they run out of ammo. The old solution to a situation like this was for the LEOs to wait until they had an overwhelming advantage and then go after the active shooter. That is what was used in columbine and it has been proven incorrect. The current solution is the first LEO on the scene to go after the active shooter. They almost always will kill themselves or surrender when confronted with lethal force. There have been at least a few cases where active shooters commit suicide when fired upon or slightly wounded.

I would note that a movie theater showing a midnight film catering to teens is pretty much guaranteed to be a gun free zone and initial reports are that the area where this theater is is designated a GUN FREE ZONE
 
Thunder said:
its MUCH easier to carry a concealed handgun in Colorado, than in NYC.

and yet, no one shot back at the killer.
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Thunder said:
what part of the second "C" in CCW, don't you understand?
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It's still a stigma to carry a gun, I know. Yes, it's concealed. No one sees it, but friends and family still have something to say about carrying.
Furthermore, the theater did not allow concealed weapons on their premises. That explains why no one shot back. CCW holders are law abiding citizens and honor posted signs ...because it's the law. They can lose their permit and go to jail if they do otherwise.
Theater Shooting Proves Signs Do Not Prevent Massacre
 
Awful, awful day. No idea what caused this guy to go crazy, and I don't think we'll know for weeks. It's just too early to judge. Right now is the time to mourn and recover from the shock.

I was glad to see that both presidential campaigns suspended themselves until Monday. Absolutely the right call.
 
Captain America said:
I have a fifty-cent solution for this killer. A bullet between the eyes. This maggot, P.O.S. deserves to die very slow and painfully.

Can you believe this scumbag here is politicizing this tradegy? ----> Tea Party Congressman Links Colorado Shooting To Attacks On Christianity | ThinkProgress
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I think the police should have shot him to death and then claimed he tried to shoot the police.Because now tax money is going to have to be wasted to try him in court and some rat weasel lawyer is going to claim all kinds of irreverent **** to get his client off the hook like my client is insane or my client had a bad child hood or some other irrelevant BS.
 
Phoenix said:
It's still a stigma to carry a gun, I know. Yes, it's concealed. No one sees it, but friends and family still have something to say about carrying.
Furthermore, the theater did not allow concealed weapons on their premises. That explains why no one shot back. CCW holders are law abiding citizens and honor posted signs ...because it's the law. They can lose their permit and go to jail if they do otherwise.
Theater Shooting Proves Signs Do Not Prevent Massacre
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The whining on the Right is almost as palatable as that on the Left with regards to this issue.

You're right: the theater banning guns didn't prevent the shooting. And patrons carrying guns would almost assuredly have not saved one more life (in fact, given the killer's use of smoke and gas in his attack, it's very possible that more people would have been accidentally killed by do-gooder would-be heroes before the massacre was through).

This is not a good example to base any argument around.
 
jamesrage said:
I think the police should have shot him to death and then claimed he tried to shoot the police.Because now tax money is going to have to be wasted to try him in court and some rat weasel lawyer is going to claim all kinds of irreverent **** to get his client off the hook like my client is insane or my client had a bad child hood or some other irrelevant BS.
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Dude. WTF. Even Jerry Sandusky has rights. I'm glad this shooter lived, for the sole reason that his being alive gives us a much better chance at understanding his motives.
 
Phys251 said:
Dude. WTF. Even Jerry Sandusky has rights.
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This isn't about a pedophile. This is about a guy who went into a theater and shot up a bunch of people.



I'm glad this shooter lived, for the sole reason that his being alive gives us a much better chance at understanding his motives.
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Who gives a **** what his motives are.Knowing his motives will not prevent any future shootings.Nor will knowing his motives bring any of his victims back to life. Knowing his motives won't even make his victims feel better. The police ****ed up by not putting as bullet in his head and their **** up will cost tax payers millions of dollars and cause more grief for the victims and their families.
 
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jamesrage said:
Who gives a **** what his motives are.Knowing his motives will not prevent any future shootings.Nor will knowing his motives bring any of his victims back to life.
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Neither will sending out death squads to kill him.

You hate the government? So do I. And, trust me, you don't want to give the State the authority to kill on command.
 
jamesrage said:
I think the police should have shot him to death and then claimed he tried to shoot the police.Because now tax money is going to have to be wasted to try him in court and some rat weasel lawyer is going to claim all kinds of irreverent **** to get his client off the hook like my client is insane or my client had a bad child hood or some other irrelevant BS.
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I agree but hopefully he will be buggered to death in prison or spend the next 50 years in solitary
 
Lachean said:
Will this tragedy cause anyone to rethink seeing this movie?

I'm heading out to see it within the hour, just curious if anyone has any predictions on how ticket sales might be effected?
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Those 'wimpy' French don't like violence

Dark Knight Rises Paris premiere and press junket cancelled after US shooting

The Paris premiere of The Dark Knight Rises due to take place at the Gaumont Marignan cinema on the Champs-Elysées on Friday evening has been cancelled, local French media is reporting.

Earlier in the day, a junket at the Bristol Hotel in Paris was also cancelled, with journalists turned away as they arrived for their interviews.

Top broadcaster TF1, which was to have featured an interview with French actress Cotillard on it flagship eight o’clock evening news programme this evening, also reported the interview had been cancelled.
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Einzige said:
Neither will sending out death squads to kill him.

You hate the government? So do I. And, trust me, you don't want to give the State the authority to kill on command.
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good point-the government should not execute the guy. rather the families of the dead children should be given the following

2 hours access to this guy

several crowbars, blowtorches and car batteries with jumper cables

full gubernatorial pardons for all and anything they do during that 2 hour period
 
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