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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

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    I believe Canada is actually the most multicultural country in the world and again our crime rate is lower.
    Yes - The intentional murder rate of the USA is three times higher than that of Canada. The USA can learn much from Canada.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Crazy (and evil) will find a way--sarin gas, bombs, cyanide, whatever.
    It's as easy as putting a seperator between ammonia and bleach and tossing it into a crowd, it's a crude form of mustard gas. Anyone who desires murder can figure out how to cause it, the trick is to stop them.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I think the American culture is rife with the adoration of violence. It's in our love of guns, fascination with military, sports, TV, video games, movies, etc. On top of that we're creating a whole generation of spoiled brats that are digital idiots who can't differentiate fantasy from reality.
    I still say a lot of it boils down to parents not taking the time to explain the difference between fantasy violence and real violence and the consequences of the latter. It doesn't explain everything but would explain the uptick in the the mass murders, another problem I feel is that some depression and bi-polar meds have worse side effects than just learning to cope with it.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Hm, maybe not. I can't remember for certain. I've been in Quebec and Ontario, and whatever that province is just west of Ontario, I forget what you call it.

    One of the things that really struck me was that the vast majority of Canadians I encountered were not only more polite than most Americans, but more cheerful.

    There were exceptions sure, but on the whole I found most Canadians to be remarkably nice folks.
    I would say Canadians in general, deep south U.S. residents, Hawaiians, and small town British citizens tend to be the most polite people I've ever encountered. I think it's just a cultural thing.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Another problem I feel is that some depression and bi-polar meds have worse side effects than just learning to cope with it.
    Yes. AND, within school systems, at least here in Illinois, children are led to being diagnosed such that they will be prescribed meds. The more diagnosed, the more students in special education, the more money to the schools. Very very sad.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Gun availability is a problem in the case of ease of availability like it was in the Colorado case. I don't think the 99+ percentage necessarily negates that. It speaks to something different.
    How then do we prevent someone like the Colorado shooter from buy a gun legally? Had he been commited involuntarily? Not that I know of. Was he heavily medicated and did his shrink consider him potentially dangerous? I don't know. How do we accomplish this, denying guns to the unstable without unreasonably restricting the law-abiding? I have yet to hear a good answer to this question.







    I think you and I agree on much. But I will say this about your last statement. I agree that serious gun owners are not part of the problem in terms of they misusing weapons. I would however say that some of them contribute to the glorification of firearms and the elevation of them to the status of a playboy centerfold in the way they describe them and talk about them. I live in the Detroit area and I know guys who have pictures of cars on their walls and talk about them the way guys put up pin-ups of big breasted women. It borders on the perverse. I do think that there are gun folks like that and they contribute to the glorification of guns in our culture regardless if they abuse them or if they are responsible.

    As far as other cultures go - yes, you can compare us to Mexico or third world cultures where the murder rate is much higher than ours. But is that the standard we want to use? I think it is much more fair to compare us to Canada or Great Britain or Ireland or even Japan. And that comparison is not a kind one for us.

    Well, what would you have of us? Those of us, responsible and sane gun owners, who like and enjoy firearms, who hunt and target shoot and keep weapons for self-defense... shall we be ashamed of our weapons? Shall we hide them and take no pride in the fine rifle we spent months saving up money to buy? Shall we treat our passion as a perversion and hide it? Consider ourselves social pariahs? Refrain from discussing firearms in polite company, as if it were a taboo subject? Act as if there were something wrong with it?

    If that is what you are suggesting, I find the notion as utterly alien as treating a passion for fast cars like a perversion, and must reject it completely.

    If that isn't what you wish, what DO you want us to do? What is your solution?

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Yes. AND, within school systems, at least here in Illinois, children are led to being diagnosed such that they will be prescribed meds. The more diagnosed, the more students in special education, the more money to the schools. Very very sad.
    Yep. Did you know that about 40% of all federal education aid is for "special needs" students. This is a HUGE industry that is seeking to define basic "behavior problems" as disabilities. We wonder why medical are costs are out of control, as we prescribe pills for EVERYTHING and seek gov't (taxpayers) to pick up the tab. Yes they can!
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    It's as easy as putting a seperator between ammonia and bleach and tossing it into a crowd, it's a crude form of mustard gas. Anyone who desires murder can figure out how to cause it, the trick is to stop them.
    I think it is nearly impossible to stop someone from doing a suicide type attack. But people need to and I believe are becoming more reactive.

    We can't be sheep and hope the wolf leaves alone. As soon as some SOB starts wrecking havoc then everyone has to attack him. Just try standing up in an airline and start spouting off some crap and I will guarantee you at least two sets of hands are going to pull your ass down. That is the way you have to combat these scum. Finally when they are stopped they need to have the imprint of someone's boot up their rectum.

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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    The world inside his head was messed probably due to some of what I said and possibly chemical imbalances. You don't want to know what was in his mind to make someone do that because it's literally unbearable to be that insane. I pity such an unfortunate soul who's driven to cause such horror.
    I do pity people going through that, but there is no excuse for those around him not to at least nudge him towards help. We have all had someone in our lives who fit some definition and scope of crazy, most harmless, but if my relative was so bat**** insane that I worried they would snap I'd have to do something to get them help, I would consider any blood they spilled on my hands otherwise.
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    Re: Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    How then do we prevent someone like the Colorado shooter from buy a gun legally? Had he been commited involuntarily? Not that I know of. Was he heavily medicated and did his shrink consider him potentially dangerous? I don't know. How do we accomplish this, denying guns to the unstable without unreasonably restricting the law-abiding? I have yet to hear a good answer to this question.










    Well, what would you have of us? Those of us, responsible and sane gun owners, who like and enjoy firearms, who hunt and target shoot and keep weapons for self-defense... shall we be ashamed of our weapons? Shall we hide them and take no pride in the fine rifle we spent months saving up money to buy? Shall we treat our passion as a perversion and hide it? Consider ourselves social pariahs? Refrain from discussing firearms in polite company, as if it were a taboo subject? Act as if there were something wrong with it?

    If that is what you are suggesting, I find the notion as utterly alien as treating a passion for fast cars like a perversion, and must reject it completely.

    If that isn't what you wish, what DO you want us to do? What is your solution?
    Perhaps the difference is one of maturity and considering everything in its proper place and worth. I will make no bones about it Goshin - when I read and hear some guys going on and on and on about guns - and you can find it here in plenty of threads - it sounds just like some 16 year old boy bragging about the size and rigidity of his own erection. It just reeks of everything negative not to say rather immature. Does that sort of "look at my pin-up pic of my latest weapon" even exist in European nations where guns are considered essential to have in the home?

    Even if those folks do not abuse firearms - and I have already stated that for the most part they do not - I do think they contribute to the worship of the gun as part of American culture. And that is part of the problem.
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